pardon me if this has been previously mentioned on some other thread or somewhere else, but is it possible to have a child that is: retardation, physiscal handicapped..ect. ? and what would you do in that case? thanks
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Well, it's quite simple...
you keep screwing the missus till you have a healthy one!!
It's quite possible for a physically-handicapped king to rule, though it may be exceptional e.g. Baldwin the Leper of Jerusalem ruled very effectively in his short life.
you keep screwing the missus till you have a healthy one!!
It's quite possible for a physically-handicapped king to rule, though it may be exceptional e.g. Baldwin the Leper of Jerusalem ruled very effectively in his short life.
Then you just have to have the "challenged" ones participate in some unfortunate hunting accident, primogeniture be damned.Originally posted by Dimwit
Well, it's quite simple...
you keep screwing the missus till you have a healthy one!!
Depends how bad of a physical handicap. Duke Frederick II of Swabia was given his nickname of "Einaugige" (One-eye) or Monoculus because he lost an eye in battle.
Duke Godfrey III of Lotharingia's nickname "Bucklige" refers to his hunchback. Both were among the most powerful of imperial princes.
But maybe thats because those particular handicaps still allowed them to fight, ride, and f*ck?
Duke Godfrey III of Lotharingia's nickname "Bucklige" refers to his hunchback. Both were among the most powerful of imperial princes.
But maybe thats because those particular handicaps still allowed them to fight, ride, and f*ck?
if you marry your sister (or just about anyone since everyone was cousins back then} their should be a higher chance of birth defect
Err... it is like saying "who is playing the game of chess? a bishop or you?" when you intend to move a bishop other way than diagonally.
There are certain rules in the game that you should obey. One of them (at least in some princedoms) is primogeniture.
I've heard it many times before, and I don't have a dictionary, so what exactly is primogeniture?
Basically, the rule that first son/offspring inherits. Even if he is a hunchback midget moron.
While it was (by no means) in the time period, the United States even had a president who spent most of his time in a wheelchair. Also, England had a whole run of kings with hemophilia. It was not at all unusual for physically handicapped people to rise to power in the past.
Now, those that were disabled in ways that prevented them doing their job (blind, deaf, mute) or mentally handicapped, were often disposed of or passed over in inheritance (depending on the laws of the country). In some countries, even being female was considered such a handicap, and only males could inherit power. (This is still true in Monaco, I'm not sure about anywhere else - I heard about Monaco because they were discussing changing it a year or so ago.)
And yes, primogeniture means the first child (or sometimes the first son) inherits the throne.
Now, those that were disabled in ways that prevented them doing their job (blind, deaf, mute) or mentally handicapped, were often disposed of or passed over in inheritance (depending on the laws of the country). In some countries, even being female was considered such a handicap, and only males could inherit power. (This is still true in Monaco, I'm not sure about anywhere else - I heard about Monaco because they were discussing changing it a year or so ago.)
And yes, primogeniture means the first child (or sometimes the first son) inherits the throne.
No English king ever had hemophilia. Victoria was a carrier of the gene (it's not clear if she inherited it from her mother or if it occurred through mutation in her), and passed it on to one of her younger sons, as well as having several daughters that were carriers, but her eldest son Edward VII did not get the gene.
Perhaps you are thinking of porphyria? Several English kings may (not definitely) have suffered from this, with George III being the most likely candidate.
Edward VII didn't get it, but the Tsarevitch certainly did.
Its quite interesting, some of the pictures from this time period, half of Europe's monarchs are part of this large extended family, and there are pictures where you can see them all together, family photos and all. I remember seeing one in a book about the last of the Romanovs.
Thanks for replying guys, but uh... it isnt really answering my question. What I want to know is "what" do you "do" if this case arises and what effects can it hold on your government or whatever.
How would we know? The game hasn't been released yet. Unless one of the programming staff chooses to reply, anything we say in this forum at this point is just speculation.
Germanic tradition dictated that the king must be without physical deformity. This is apparently one of the reasons why Conrad III von Rothenburg was elected King in 1127 instead of his older brother Frederick II of Swabia (One-eye), who was the true heir of the Salians according to primogeniture. Its the only case I can think of that relates to your question.
His deformity didnt prevent him from inheriting the Duchy of Swabia from his father and the Salian family lands from his mother, or from being the head of the house of Hohenstaufen. But it did exclude him from the throne. Now since he was a candidate in the election of 1125, I can only assume that either: 1) he lost the eye between 1125-1127, or 2) there was another reason he stood aside for his brother. Anybody know?
Even if this was true in Germany it wasnt necessarily so anywhere else. Anyway, sounds alot like the myth of Nuada of the Silver Hand losing the throne because he lost a hand in battle, so maybe it wasnt just a German thing?
Hmm, not actually birth-defect, but Henri VIII comes to my mind. Most of the historians agree that he had syphillis, but that didn't stop him from ruling England and beheading his missuses.
But one-eyed, one-legged, one-armed king who has been hit in the head several times, is sterile and pisses in his pants would make an interesting king. John IV The Garden-Hose.
At least he would make a welcome addition to any AAR. Wonder how much inbreeding you have to do to get that one.
But one-eyed, one-legged, one-armed king who has been hit in the head several times, is sterile and pisses in his pants would make an interesting king. John IV The Garden-Hose.
At least he would make a welcome addition to any AAR. Wonder how much inbreeding you have to do to get that one.
The Welsh followed this rule as well....inheritance jumping over an heir to fall on a brother or cousin etc....Interestingly enough though the son of the leaped over heir would then have a stronger legal claim to the throne upon the death of the brother or cousin....all this leads to much infighting which affected the Welsh in keeping them mostly a divided peoples....