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Had such good luck with previous question, thought I'd try again.

The manual implies that some event happens during Henry's reign, and what could this be besides the Anglican Reformation? The Act of Supremacy was 1534, and I have read the discussions here about England and conversion. Did anyone who wanted to convert wait until 1534+, and have historical events on? I think I agree that Catholic England is doomed in the long run, though a war with France and/or Spain is going to hurt. In my current game, France seems to have no lack of colonists/traders heading out (I see them in the Channel).
 
I, too thought that the (non)random event would be the conversion of England to protestant, perhaps less painfully than manual conversion. Didn't happen in two games.

I think I DID get government efficiency both times in Hank 8's time, so perhaps that was the non-random event.
 
There's a strong argument that the Church of England as formed by Henry VIII was not Protestant at all - certainly not Lutheran - simply a continuation of the Catholic Church in England but with the King in place of the Pope.

The King himself was received back into the Catholic Church on his deathbed.

What EU models is not so much the religious conversion as the Dissolution of the Monastries (when the wealth of the Church was seized) around 1534-1536. So it would be logical to delay the change until then.

BTW, has anyone tried to play a GC with England remaining Catholic? No great colonial empire (no settlers until able to build a shipyard) but staying lovey-dovey with Spain? Can it be does? Does England survive?
 
Originally posted by Roberto
There's a strong argument that the Church of England as formed by Henry VIII was not Protestant at all - certainly not Lutheran - simply a continuation of the Catholic Church in England but with the King in place of the Pope.
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That's what I concluded (disappointed but resigned) after twice failing to see the 'bloodless' conversion. I think that Elizabeth I maybe should force conversion in repugnance at the idea of marrying the King of Spain, but I'm not sure even that would happen. I've never played England catholic long enough to find out!
 
Ah, but when do they get it? Early on, they get 0 settlers per year (which is as it should be, until 1600).

In fact, the problem with England is they they get Great Power treatment (and involvement in wars) far earlier in the game than they should get historically. Early on, England should be concerned with internal stability and the French Menace almost exclusively, IMO. They were a minor power until Eliz Reg came along.
 
About 1550 when they usually swith to Reformed (whatever for) to give them 4 settlers a year, which they then fail to use well as their situation in Europe has by then deterioriated to a point where they are in constant trouble from everywhere.
 
Roberto asked:
BTW, has anyone tried to play a GC with England remaining Catholic? No great colonial empire (no settlers until able to build a shipyard) but staying lovey-dovey with Spain? Can it be does? Does England survive?
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Actually, I did exactly this in my first GC. I never converted because there never seemed to be a good time to take the stability hit. By the end of the game, all of the British Isles had converted peacefully to Catholicism.

With colonial dynamism, I gained enough settlers to build a large empire. (I was too much of a newbie to know that building a shipyard would increase settlers & never saved up enough ducats to build one - relying instead on a multiple port naval building strategy.) I colonized most of North America, California, South Africa, and the coast of India with just the base number of settlers.

I also conquered about 1/2 of France in various wars in the 18th century. I ended up 2nd in VP to Spain. So a Catholic England strategy can be successful. But I would have preferred more settlers, so when I replay England in the GC, I will convert to Protestantism sometime in the 16th century. Then I hope to build up a large Protestant alliance in northern Germany & Scandinavia to handle the Continental wars, while I play the game of colonial expansion.
 
2 sides of the same coin...

Funny this since in my actual game I play France and I've converted first to Protestantism (under Francois I) then to Reformist (under Henri II); I'm allied with the Iroquois Confederacy and I've kicked England out of North America (except in Carolina). Savoie and Lorraine have been annexed peacefully and most of the french provinces held by Spain are back in the national fold. I love this game but it really seems the human player can get away with anything.

And I must add that I've modified the setting for colonists - reducing Spain's share in order to be more realist (50 during the first period instead of 200 - and increasing gradually by leaps of 50 at each period until they start decreasing).


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