Historical events

[Dagfinn]

As it is now, quite a few historical events gets lost because of the problem with saving.

I was wondering what you think of changing a monarchs event so they would all happen in the very begining of the regin.

Would this be worse than missing the events?

Please dont tell me to play without saving.... I already know , but I tell myself that I have valid reasons. Truly

 

[BiB]

They don't get lost upon saving though. U just can't stop playing

 

[Dagfinn]

Funny guy, how about your oppinion on my question

 

[unmerged(1302)]

So, a monarch with drop in stability and increase in stability events separated by 10 years will get them according to you on Jan 1 of the same year?

 

[Dagfinn]

Yes that was the idea. I know it sounds stupid, but as it is now you risk that countrys like Russia and Sweden doesent get their mutch needed boosts in tech and so on.

It was just an idea that I wanted to have others toughts on, I fully understand the problems involved with this metod...

 

[unmerged(3970)]

What exactly gets lost when the game is saved, is it the event that already occurred like the times of troubles, or is it something that is suppose to take place during the reign of the monarch later on in the game.

 

[unmerged(1302)]

I know the problem is that if you know the monarch will get those events you have to play and can't reload, so if the game crashes you're out of luck. BUT! Historical events are tied to a speciic time period, so I wouldn't touch it, but rather urge Paradox to fix the problem.

Hear me Paradox! Fix the Hist events file!! Please?

 

[State Machine]

As an (ex) programmer this problem has been bothering me. How could it work as long as you don't reload. The events are in a static file, historicalevents.csv. This should not be a problem.

I've thought of the scenario. When a new monarch occurs the game code puts the historical events to occur into a memory queue. That is the only time this queue will be built. When you reload a save game the queue is not, and will not be built. This scenario implies that any historical events for a monarch at the start of a game will not occur. Anyone seen that? Not that it matters, it's a bug out of our control.

 

[State Machine]

Continuing the thought. A very ugly work-around would be to manipulate both historicalevents.csv and the save game prior to restarting. All monarchs currently active would have to be patched to become new monarchs on the first day of the game (once reloaded), and all events that have already occurred would have to be removed while the events that haven't occurred are adjusted for time that has already passed.

Not viable for a human making these changes, but for a utility...

 

[BiB]

That'd be quite ace esp seeing the amount of events that get added lately.

 

[Dagfinn]

Hey, now we are cooking

This is exactley what I was hoping when I started this thread: Someone more clever would come up with a better solution then me

Now we just has to make someone put State M's solution into real life.

Anyone out there?

 

[Dagfinn]

Another solution

I just thought of a nother solution, but it involves quite some work

What if you (we) expand the monarch files so that everythime there is a new event, the monarch dies and is then resurrected?

This would solve the problem but would make the monark files a mess. On the possitive side we would need no fancey utility...

What do ya think?

 

[Carolus Rex]

Works for me.

 

[State Machine]

No matter what, you need a fancy utility, and it must be run outside of the game, and the game restarted.

I am currently writing another fancy utility, and it will probably take the remainder of my free time for the next month, and after that I don't have any free time, so...

Perhaps pursuing the fix with Paradox has some merit.

 

[Dagfinn]

State M

Why would I need a fancey utility?

I know witch date all events is supposed to happen from the event file. It is not a foolprof plan but it will help tremendously compared to what we have today. I'll give you an example:

Queen X comes to power 1500. In the eventfile she is supposed to give you an factory in october 1509. Now , what we do is to edit the monarch file ( before you start the campain )so that Queen X dies and is resurected in 1509.

So IMHO no fancey utility, but lots of manhours to kill/resurect the monarcs at the time of the event. BUT, this is a permanent fix only done once in the monarc file.

If you only save once a year, witch should be enough , this should solve our problem.

I would like to have known what Doomdark thinks of this for his ICG?

 

[State Machine]

Ah - I see. Very good.

However, new mods would be required for each new version of IGC (or other mods). Also, I am not sure how Ministers are handled. I think they are an historical monarch event. If so, that event may need reapplied for each reincarnation of a monarch.

The general problem with mods to EU is keeping track of all the files and file contents that belong together in a "package". Monarchs and historical events are a particular problem as some parts of several files have to be coordinated. I am developing a tool to address this but it is at least 2 weeks till it is complete enough to use.

It is very useful to have a "diff" tool for comparing files. I have windiff that comes with MS Visual Studio. I am sure there are shareware tools available. Linux comes with one. Highly recommended for doing the work you are suggesting.

 

[Dagfinn]

Sorry

Oops, after studying the files and reconsidered quite a bit I must withdraw my statement. It seems like it is not quite as easy as I thought.

It might still be possibel but then we need quite a few free monarch "tags" or numbers, and I dont know if there is a unlimited number of free "tags". Could anybody give me some hints about this?

And yes State M, even if my idea is possible ther is a bit of a need for coordination of the different files...

Perhaps we better go with your fancy tool anyway SM?

Sorry if I raised your hopes folks or is'nt all hopes lost?

 

[State Machine]

WhiteHound (or something like that) has just posted the same solution in the General Discussions forum. He says he has done all the files - it was a lot of work.

Monarch tags is a problem. I am not sure if there is a limit (probably is).

The code I am writing for my other tool might be useful for this - I will think about it.