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Hi!! I am nearly a newcomer in hoi 3 but looking for information there i've seen a mod called black ice for this game, not recommended for newcomers because people say it's more complex than the game with the expansions. I' ve seen what this mod adds ( More units, events, tecnologies, change stats and 13 new countries, don't know if I am missing something ) My question is if is posible to explain me why black ice it' s more complex "just" adding type of things than already exists in the game, not new game mechanics or something like that. Please understand than I am a newcomer ( only 3 hours in the game or something like that ) and I just want to understand this.

I appreciate your patience.
 
So...

Yes, it adds a pile of new units. How those work and interact with one another is completely different to the base game. All of the mechanics are altered as much as they can, stats are almost impossible to read fully because of how much stuff it fits. The techs are completely different as well, and there is a certain amount of railroading done in the game (more so than the base game).
 
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only 3 hours in the game
My advice:
Play the game as it is, finish some games, win, conquer the whole world at least as two different nations (preferable Germany and US).
If that isnt enough play the Soviets and UK in two more games.

Then get into BICE. Its a learning curve and a getting used to the game.

There are even more so called submods for BICE (UTR,TRE,GGA) if you use the previous version of BICE (9.11 ) and not the current one (10.43).

If you are in need of links to Mods or submods drop me a PM (personal message) since some of them might not be available anymore in the Forum.
I maintain a vault of the historic mods and submods that are not anymore available here.
 
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As said, the techs are completely different, and you won't know what you need to research early in order to unlock a few essential techs by the time you need them, at least until you've played it a couple of times. I found the tech system needlessly complicated and tedious. The vanilla game is far more forgiving, and definitely has a shallower learning curve, not that its learning curve isn't already daunting enough for a lot of players.

As suggested, playing a major and learning the basics will at least give you some understanding of the core game mechanics, particularly how combat is handled, what modifiers do what, and what you need to do to win battles. The mechanics are somewhat different in BICE, but the information is displayed in the same manner, and many of the underlying principles still hold true, it's just that the numbers (and how to achieve those numbers) have changed.

Learning how to handle a minor country, and working with the mere pittance of Industrial Capacity (IC) and Leadership that you're given, may also provide some insight on how to make the most of what you have. It also gives you a bit less "clutter" to deal with, so you can devote a bit more time and attention to non-combat mechanics such as how to use Trade and Espionage as tools of diplomacy and warfare (note that the HOI3 manual is horribly out of date on Espionage and diplomacy, as they were overhauled completely in the later expansions). The HOI3 wiki has a lot of explanations and details, and is (or was) far more current than the manual.

Once you feel confident in your ability to play the vanilla game, THEN it's time to take on BICE. Personally, while I appreciate the talent and effort that went into it, and like many aspects of it, my overall opinion of BICE is that it's overly complicated, and excessively railroaded (it gives some extreme modifiers at some points, to force a historical outcome), and I just don't enjoy it.
 
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Thank you all of you for your responses, they are so much helpful!!!

My advice:
Play the game as it is, finish some games, win, conquer the whole world at least as two different nations (preferable Germany and US).
If that isnt enough play the Soviets and UK in two more games.

Then get into BICE. Its a learning curve and a getting used to the game.

There are even more so called submods for BICE (UTR,TRE,GGA) if you use the previous version of BICE (9.11 ) and not the current one (10.43).

If you are in need of links to Mods or submods drop me a PM (personal message) since some of them might not be available anymore in the Forum.
I maintain a vault of the historic mods and submods that are not anymore available on the forums.

I have searched for these submods you say but can't find what exactly they are, can you explain to me? It's simple curiosity, as you said i' ll problably begin without bice.
 
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I have searched for these submods
The Thread about the main mod --> BICE 9.11
(this version is discontinued - if you want that version drop me a PM I give you a link to my copy in my vault)

link to the thread --> https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/threads/black-ice-9-11-christmas-gift.1062005/

UTR "Units of the third reich"
mainly a sub-mod about the divisional symbols for the infantry divisions but also some added special stuff (paratroopers, marines,Stug Brigades, etc....)

link to the thread --> https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/threads/units-of-the-third-reich-sub-mod-for-black-ice.881723/

TRE "Third reich events"
Another sub-mod centered around many peripheral historic events that occured around the time of WWII (olympics,fairs, other political events). Very interesting if you are a history nerd.

link to the thread --> https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/threads/third-reich-events-sub-mod-for-blackice.755372/

GGA "German Graphical Augmentation"
The last of the big-three a sub-mod that goes even deeper into events around WWII multiple choices for configuration exist, invasion, police forces, reserve divsions....etc....also offers the possibility to have the colour piping of the units in the game (tanks-pink, infantry-white, mountaineers-green, artillery-red)
this mod comes in two parts one is the events the second one the graphical stuff you can choose only the first or both.

link to the thread --> https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/foru...cal-augment-mod.668041/page-148#post-27621056


These sub-mods may as the name suggests be only used in conjunction with the main mod BICE 9.11.
They are also version dependent meaning the will only work with that certain version of the main mod.
 
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