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Dago

Dago

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well,i ve a problem in MP : i m not able to backstab
i suffer for this!!!
may some1 advice me how become more evil,and not be sad after have backstabbed someone?

the funny thing,is that i have been often backstabbed,ganged : i ve lost until 12 provs in a single war/gang,and i may make a lot more examples....
so,i ve all reasons for become evil,but looks like i cant :(

i need help
 
Persival said:
You can....in TOT4 you backstabbed BRA and RUS so you are evil :D
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:confused:
me and Bra never were friends,and everybody knew that u dowed sweden for prussia
and,iirc,i never dowed bra : u did :p
 
I make it a challenge for myself to fight as many different people as I can in the course of a game. The sign of a truly gifted diplomat I think is that one can successfully alter foriegn policy without pissing people off too much. You don't have to be "evil" to do it. You just have to be willing to try to change who your allies and enemies are.


You should try to find a reason, or a "casus belli" for breaking ties with someone and then dowing them, as that will leave them more open to realligning with you later. People tend to lose trust in you if they can't see the logic behind your actions. The steps to backstabbing someone are 1) first to find some kind of agreement with the allies you intend to find to replace the one you're backstabbing. 2) Then you need to find a good public reason that will justify your actions. 3) And then while profitting as much from the backstab as you can, to make efforts towards repairing relations to the one you've backstabbed, so you can maintain your flexible diplomatic policies.
 
i agree with u,KJ : the problem is that if the "good reasons for backstab" are some colonies or provs or CoTs,the backstabbed and others will hardly find these "good" reasons : and they ll consider u always a backstabber,at least in that game

other thing if these good reasons are related at the BOP,naturally
 
I had been considering writing an essay over this over the past few days. :D I shall grant your request Dago. My fiance is over here right now and wants to use my computer to play the Indiana Jones game, but I may be able to get it done later tonight. I think I shall call the essay.....

Brutality, Ruthlessness, and Other Virtues

Sounds good. Look for it
 
ryoken69 said:
I had been considering writing an essay over this over the past few days. :D I shall grant your request Dago. My fiance is over here right now and wants to use my computer to play the Indiana Jones game, but I may be able to get it done later tonight. I think I shall call the essay.....

Brutality, Ruthlessness, and Other Virtues

Sounds good. Look for it
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ohh,of course i ll look it
i remember ur essay about diplomacy was very usefull,for me :)
i hope u may help me again :rolleyes:
 
Indeed, I too, could use education on this.

I normally tend to make agreements and stick by them regardless of the cost and situation. This is inflexible and ultimately detrimental to my foreign policy. Not that I'm trying to become the next devil :D But I certainly could do with making fewer promises and assurances and a more aggressive and opportunistic stance.

I notice many players do just this - they pick one alliance and stick with it the entire game. And I think in many cases this ties their hands way too much.
 
I'm learning to be flexible (as opposed to times where I was painfully rigid and doggedly loyal in my alliance relations, especially in Lifford's last Wednesday game), but at this point I'm rather timid in my foreign policy, which stops me from initiating any gangbangs or truly catching someone off guard with a backstab. Obviously this is an area where I need to improve.
 
It is not necessary to break your word to behave evil. Make deals as you like and keep them, this is only good for your reputation. Feel free to not honour the spirit of the agreement, but only if you are ready to defend your position in a discussion.
If you want to get rid of an alliance, just break it. Don't turn on your allies though.
There is a difference between behaving evil and behaving suicidal.

The art of being evil involves being able to behave opportunistic. Attack someone when he is already in a war with someone else. Attack someone when he suffers from a civil war. Attack someone together with someone else. Attack only when you know you will win. Gangbang when possible. Rape your victim if you think the rest will accept it.

For example: A good tactic is making someone, who just attacked you out of the blue, look very bad publicly. You can then form a coalition against him, after which you strip him from more provinces he took from you.

Just practice, sooner or later you are evil enough and your Empire will prosper from it!...till some guys decide they need to form a coaliton against you :D
 
Being evil can get you into deep shit as most people will remember what they did and pay them back even worse next time around. Tender subject I guess for some.
 
Most people tend to view opportunistic players as evil. Personally I never break treaties or lie intentionally to people (others might disagree) but I might turn the conditions of the treaty to my own favour as much as possible.

Nations which you are "friendly" towards sometimes get upset when you ask them for a favour in return for granting them a favour calling it payment or even blackmail. Well that kind of blackmail is all part of this game.

Usually I try to get what I want through dipomatical dealings a schemings first. If this doesn't work I try to blackmail for it if I'm powerful enough. Playing a major helps a lot here. As a last resort I will go to war over the issue if I think I can win the conflict. This get-it-at-all approach is quite ruthless and might be regarded as evil and usually works if not up against superior allied nations ingame.

Outright lying like "yeah, I won't attack you" and then DOW is just tasteless.
 
I agree with the nuanced players...one needs a "public" CB, besides a "mechanical" CB, to pull of a successful backstab. one needs an accepted pretext. doing this preserves your long term reputation in the game and also your reputation from game to game... much easier (and forgiving ) to pull off in a game that highlights rp-ing and good diplo, rather than "lets play Risk "

outright lying is very dangerous.

goes to read Ryoken's essay.
 
It is common to view the victor as evil and the defeated as the righteous. Just because someone was sneaky doesnt mean they are evil. I never ever break a public or private agreement if it was an established agreement. I promised to do X, so I will do X. But if I can find a way around that agreement, great. And if I just state a position and we are not making an agreement (like "I have no intention of attacking you") then I have no problem with going back on that statement. Times have changed :D
 
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