how did the HRE deal with the existance of the latin empire?

[demanvanwezel]

both the HRE and the eastern roman empire claimed to be the sole heirs of the roman empire (for those who want to know, they called each other king of the greeks and king of the germans in correspondance)

prior to the 4th crusade this wouldn't give problems since to catholics the HRE would be the real emperor and to orthodox christians the ERE would be the real emperor

however after the 4th crusade there would be 2 catholic entities claiming the roman throne, did this cause any great debate or were the rulers of europe already desentised to there being 2 roman emperors?

 

[Fluffy_Fishy]

There are more than 2 catholic claimants to the Roman Empire, no one really took claims too seriously they just wanted to play the big fish. Both the Pope and HRE claimed to be the descendants of Rome with the whole Ghibelline Guelph conflicts.

 

[bz249]

Which protestant? Lutheran, calvinist or hussite? I guess you wanted to write (greek) orthodox. Because even Russian orthodox is another story.

 

[demanvanwezel]

Which protestant? Lutheran, calvinist or hussite? I guess you wanted to write (greek) orthodox. Because even Russian orthodox is another story.

what, who wrote about protestants? you can prove nothing that this post originally had protestant in there

 

[demanvanwezel]

There are more than 2 catholic claimants to the Roman Empire, no one really took claims too seriously they just wanted to play the big fish. Both the Pope and HRE claimed to be the descendants of Rome with the whole Ghibelline Guelph conflicts.

wasn't that more about caesaropapism rather then the pope claiming to be the roman emperor?

 

[Fluffy_Fishy]

wasn't that more about caesaropapism rather then the pope claiming to be the roman emperor?

It was a mix of things depending on what the people thought they could get away with at the time, counterclaiming the HRE roman claim was part of the papal argument, but the true heir to rome will always be Montferrat

 

[Captain Frakas]

If I am recalling correctly, the Holy Roman Empire didn't recognised Latin eastern emperors and started to see themselves as emperors of the reunified empire from that time.

 

[demanvanwezel]

If I am recalling correctly, the Holy Roman Empire didn't recognised Latin eastern emperors and started to see themselves as emperors of the reunified empire from that time.

didn't they always used to do that though?

I read that the HRE and ERE adressed each other by using "king of the germans" and "king of the greeks" as to not acknowledge each other as emperor

I know that at this time the initial policy of the holy roman emperor was primus inter pares with the kings was outdated but they had to at least give some form of recognition, the king of scicily had extensive influence over southern greece after the 4th crusade, did any of this clash with his dealings with the HRE?