Iberian + Italian = Latin

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Reasons why:

-They have basically the same language. (as close as finnish and estonian which form ugric.)
-The habbits are basically the same, the cuisine, the religion, the festivities.
-It would give 1 free tag.
-This would make it more logic for Aragon to own and try to get parts of Italy.

 

[Havard]

Originally posted by dictator
Reasons why:

-They have basically the same language. (as close as finnish and estonian which form ugric.)
-The habbits are basically the same, the cuisine, the religion, the festivities.
-It would give 1 free tag.
-This would make it more logic for Aragon to own and try to get parts of Italy.

I think you should study Spanish and Italian habits and cuisines a bit more...

I don't see why we should attempt to consolidate cultures into huge super-cultures covering large areas. If one really need culture tags there are plenty of unused cultures e.g. in the Americas that can be used instead...

As for Aragon it's just to let them have Italian culture isn't it? I don't think e.g. Venezia should get anything for free if they decide to conquer Spanish land...

 

[Twoflower]

Re: Re: Iberian + Italian = Latin

Originally posted by Havard
I think you should study Spanish and Italian habits and cuisines a bit more...

I don't see why we should attempt to consolidate cultures into huge super-cultures covering large areas. If one really need culture tags there are plenty of unused cultures e.g. in the Americas that can be used instead...

As for Aragon it's just to let them have Italian culture isn't it? I don't think e.g. Venezia should get anything for free if they decide to conquer Spanish land...

Definitely agree. Aragon have always had Italian culture, so that's no reason, and we don't wanna encourage Castile and Portugal to go after poor Italian minors, do we?

 

[Garbon]

Or Granada to take Italy.

 

[Sitenl]

My contry is the example of the Spanish, Portuguese, German and Italian culture. Go to the Northeast of Brazil and then go to the South and then go to the southest city of the country: Chuí! You will see what Iberions Visgodos and Italians have in common and in diffrence!

 

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Originally posted by dictator
Reasons why:

-They have basically the same language. (as close as finnish and estonian which form ugric.)
-The habbits are basically the same, the cuisine, the religion, the festivities.
-It would give 1 free tag.
-This would make it more logic for Aragon to own and try to get parts of Italy.

As an Italian fan of the EEP I have to say that this is the funniest thing I ever heard so far .

Why don't you include also the French in the "Latin" culture ?

"The habbits are basically the same, the cuisine, the religion, the festivities."

We Italians had a lot in common also with them, even if we don't like much to admit it .

 

[Languish]

He does come out with some gems sometimes does our dictator

 

[ilv0lontario]

as italian i don't agree too much..........
4 me also portugal should have its own culture....

 

[Twoflower]

Originally posted by ilv0lontario
as italian i don't agree too much..........
4 me also portugal should have its own culture....

And Catalonia
With e.g. the very detailed division of the Slavic cultures, I think it's more than justified to make (or keep) the 5 main divisions of West Romanic people - Portugal, Castille, Catalonia, France and Italy - separate cultures.

 

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If Iberian + Italian is not Latin

Why:

Portugal + Catalan + Castilian = Iberian ?

 

[Norrefeldt]

Originally posted by Carlitos
If Iberian + Italian is not Latin

Why:

Portugal + Catalan + Castilian = Iberian ?

I'm pretty sure this was done for gameplay reasons. The Italian states should not have an easy time getting a hold in the Iberian penninsula and vise versa to some extent as well. It was not a CULTURAL decision I'm sure, but a decision based on the mechanics of the game.
There have been many advocating a split Spanish/Portugese, and I can see the reason behind it, might work out well.

 

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I think their should at least be a split between Portugese and Spanish cultures. It would make the conquest of Portugal less desirable, and also make the 'independant' states that from in the New World more interesting --Brazil with Portugese etc.

I'd say Catalan too, but that might be wasting another tag, that could be used elsewhere. I also don't fully understand why Slavonic is one culture, except to make the land a whipping ground for the Turks... can somebody explain?

Why does Dictator keep being banned?

 

[Twoflower]

Splitting Catalan off from Iberian is just as (or probably even more) justified as Portuguese, since Castilian and Portuguese are much closer to each other than each of them to Catalan, and also before 1419 Portugal and Castile had much more of a common history, being focussed entirely on the reconquista and thus on Iberia, than with Catalonia and Aragon that always had strong links to France and the Mediterranean sea. A "Spanish" culture separate from Portuguese is heavily anachronistic in 1419 and probably all the time before - at least - 1714.

 

[boehm]

a "western" culture

Originally posted by dictator
Reasons why:

-They have basically the same language. (as close as finnish and estonian which form ugric.)
-The habbits are basically the same, the cuisine, the religion, the festivities.
-It would give 1 free tag.
-This would make it more logic for Aragon to own and try to get parts of Italy.

u can make pretty much the same argument about all "western" cultures....provided u just compare them to something adaquately forreign like eg. china......so why dont we merge french, german, anglosaxon, iberian, italian, scandinavian, gaelic, etc. together into one "western" culture....that would also make it much more "fun" wouldnt it?

edit: sorry...but basically I guess u just have to draw the line "somewhere"....and u can easily argue both for merging diverent cultures as well as divinding existing ones...IMO it all comes down to a decision on how u want to influence gameplay.

 

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I think it was decided quite a time ago that we will not discuss splitting/merging the existing cultures, since this would be an endless discussion.

The EU2 concept of "culture" has not much to do with the culture as understood in normal life, with all the fluidity of the definition of the world. The "culture" in EU2 is just a way to limit the expansion of any given country to its natural or say historical extents.

 

[Norrefeldt]

Originally posted by Browning
I think it was decided quite a time ago that we will not discuss splitting/merging the existing cultures, since this would be an endless discussion.

The EU2 concept of "culture" has not much to do with the culture as understood in normal life, with all the fluidity of the definition of the world. The "culture" in EU2 is just a way to limit the expansion of any given country to its natural or say historical extents.

Indeed. Major cultural changes will *not* take place in EEP. Such things can be discussed for the merger of EEP and AGC in that forum.