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A group of spanish fans we are developing the Iberian and Europe 1200 scenario (Idea by Txini). Information on this scenario (with new nations, new shields,new events...)in my
web (Sorry, this web is in spanish
:D ).
You put answers if you want to collaborate
( new information, corrections, ideas...).

Now, I am to the expectation to receive the EUII in my house to begin the really work

The reasons for the creation of this scenario are: the absence of iberian scenarios and the lack of revolters in the peninsula (Asturias,León, Vizcaya...). We hoped to correct it.
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Mensaje para los que hablan español o lo entienden:
Un grupo de fans españoles estamos desarrollando un escenario Iberico y de la Europa de 1200. La idea original fue de Txini, y la podeis ver en el foro de escenarios, pero como será para EUII, que mejor que anunciarlo aqui? Si quereis ir a un "foro" español, id aqui
 
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we would be very grateful to all peolpe who can help us.
 
Yes, I find the idea of a Europe 1200 scenario fascinating (crusade states, struggle in the HRE against rogue italian cities, sacking of Byzantium, etc...), and any help will be gladly welcome.

(Sylvain, as soon as I get EU2 I'll be there in your crew :) )
 
Originally posted by Yozhik
As in the whole world in 1200s or just the Iberian region?

Good luck avoiding colonization in 1300s...
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All world.
By that time vikings has colnized Greenland and discover America or not??
 
Originally posted by Txini


All world.
By that time vikings has colnized Greenland and discover America or not??
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They did, and in fact, it's unclear if their settlements were still alive and kicking by 1419.

And to avoid colonization of America the answer is simple: no explorers.
 
Originally posted by celedhring


They did, and in fact, it's unclear if their settlements were still alive and kicking by 1419.

And to avoid colonization of America the answer is simple: no explorers.
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yep!! Less work for us :D
 
A couple of small tips... don't know if I have the time to help :)

1 - Estonia, Kourland region is natives. This region is targeted by the second Crusade. I recommend a Conquistador. A number of +fortification events here in late 1200s.

2 - Russia consists of many 1-province states, Kiev being the exception (2-3 states?)... I recommend -100 to -200 relations between all of them. However, make them revolters, so when Mongols come about they do not annex them forever. The provincial religion in the northernmost states should be pagan...

3 - Russians had the knowledge of the Black sea, Constantinople, and even the Smyrna region. Russians also had the knowledge of France and England.

4 - Russian DP settings: very high aristocracy (except Novgorod), very high serfdom, very high narrow-mindedness, very high offensive, somewhat high quality (but with a number of events pushing it to quantity around 1350s), somewhat centralized (since the old Rus state has already dropped into the smallest pieces possible), maxed out land, high mercantilism (maxed out for Novgorod).

5 - A few Slavic cultures would be a good idea, although the existing Ukranian/Russian ones are enough.

6 - A MAJOR revolt in 1262 if oppressed by Mongols all across the board.

7 - Dmitri Donskoi leader (1238-1262): 4-0-4, Monarch.

8 - Militia events (like the US ones): 1240, Novgorod. 1242, Novgorod. 1380, Ryazan, Muscovy, Suzdal.

9 - +relations between Ryazan, Muscovy, Suzdal in 1380.

10 - Now that I think of it, Muscovy didn't exist... they were a part of Vladimir kingdom (as was Suzdal). Other major players were Novgorod (owns Pskov), Tver, Ryazan, Kiev, Chernigov (South-East of Kiev), Tmutarakan' (the 1 province state just east of Crimea - the Caucasian province "touching" Crimea)... I keep thinking there was something North-West of Kiev but I may be mistaken... Hey - the last time I read this stuff was almost 10 years ago, in middle school :)

11 - Monarch: Sucky in 1200s. Even when Donskoi is present (Veche, i.e. People ruled in Novgorod). Across the board. 1300s - Ivan I in Moscow, 5 in diplomacy and economy.

Cheers.

Yozhik the Slav :)
 
Are you russian, Yozhik? I mean, Hedgehog?
 
Originally posted by Pred
I'd love to help, but I don't know when I'll get EU2... :( :( :(
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Don't worry I know mine March 2002 :(
 
Thank very much Yozhik. Your information will consider
 
Originally posted by Pred


:(
Ok... so I'll help in what I can.
How do you contact? By e-mail?
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Usually by thread in EU Scenario Forum.
 
Modelling the Amgevin empire could be tricky-the components didn;t really include vassal states other than Britanny, and that's a pretty impressive stretch of territory even for France to conquer!

I was toying with Aquitaine as a vassal, but that's more the situation slightly earlier when it was used as an appanage for Richard "Coeur de Lion" before he became king.

The HRE will be interesting too, as it was nowhere near as fragmented as it became by 1419.
 
Originally posted by Yozhik

10 - Now that I think of it, Muscovy didn't exist... they were a part of Vladimir kingdom (as was Suzdal). Other major players were Novgorod (owns Pskov), Tver, Ryazan, Kiev, Chernigov (South-East of Kiev), Tmutarakan' (the 1 province state just east of Crimea - the Caucasian province "touching" Crimea)... I keep thinking there was something North-West of Kiev but I may be mistaken... Hey - the last time I read this stuff was almost 10 years ago, in middle school :)
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There was something northwest of Kiev, and a couple of very important states too, the principality known as Galich (if you are Russian), Halych (if you are Ukrainian), or Galicia (if you are Western European), as well as the Principality of Volyn/Volhynia.

Chernigov/Chernihiv is due north of Kiev, not southeast.
 
Byzantium will be difficult to play in 1200, but no where near as difficult as in 1419. It should have the western part of Asia Minor, maybe a few vassal crusader states, the southern Balkans, and lots and lots of revolters since the Empire was having internal problems at the time. How big was Constantinople back then? It shouldn't have Bulgaria since (I think) Bulgaria broke away shortly before that time.
 
Originally posted by Ben
Byzantium will be difficult to play in 1200, but no where near as difficult as in 1419. It should have the western part of Asia Minor, maybe a few vassal crusader states, the southern Balkans, and lots and lots of revolters since the Empire was having internal problems at the time. How big was Constantinople back then? It shouldn't have Bulgaria since (I think) Bulgaria broke away shortly before that time.
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The Crusaders were not vassals of the Byzantines though. In fact they strongly resisted any attempt by the Byzantines to regain control in the captured area. I fact, after the crusaders captured Antiokia in 1097, the Byzantines demanded to be given control of the city they had lost to the turks only 13 years earlier while the crusaders refused.
 
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