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This is an exceptionally odd case of the bug where a vassal has the same title tier as his liege. Most commonly a count with another count as vassal, but I've seen a duke with an archbishop as vassal, and this is the first king-under-king example I've seen.

I know exactly how the duke-archbishop situation came about. The first bishop (count-level) title the archbishop held happened to be in the region of a particular duke, so when I handed out that duke title the archbishop was included among the vassals to the new duke. It's a bug, since the archbishop title was not taken into account like a pre-existing duke-level title should be, but at least it's clear how it happened. How or if this translates to the various count-under-count examples is not clear...

I suspect that the Il-Khanate becoming a Cuman vassal is similar to the duke-archbishop case above. After several decades of war, the Il-Khanate has migrated to the point of existing entirely in the region between the Black Sea, Volga, and Don (capital now in Kasogs, I believe) - territory associated with the King of Cuman title, as I recall. Again, why the game allowed a same-tier vassalization to come about is puzzling, especially since this one had to be a voluntary or diplomatic vassalization.
 
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Interesting Would you happen to have, or be able to make, a save in which there isn't a same-tier vassal situation, but that one would quickly be made following precise instructions? It would propably help the programmers immensely.
 
Grosshaus said:
Interesting Would you happen to have, or be able to make, a save in which there isn't a same-tier vassal situation, but that one would quickly be made following precise instructions? It would propably help the programmers immensely.
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Yes, I'll set up the save files tonight. The Duke of Brittany becoming liege of Archbishop of Orleans, Bishop of Nantes example should be easy to recover from old saves. And I won't be at all surprised if the Il-Khan/Cuman situation recurs (I've edited the Il-Khan back to "liege = ----" in the current save), or is repeatable with the current autosave.
 
Along similar lines, I just loaded up a game as Serbia in 1337, and within a month the King of Bosnia was asking to be my vassal :confused:
 
Here are the files:

dukearchbishop.eug
ilkhancuman.eug

To replicate the archbishop vassal to a duke example, load dukearchbishop as King of Naples and grant the Duke of Brittany title to anyone. The Archbishop of Orleans will now be their vassal.

To see the Il-Khanate become vassals to the Cumans, load ilkhancuman as anyone and wait a month. Every time I've run this save the Il-Khanate quickly restored their vassal status, however that happens. It doesn't happen when I run the autosave from ten months earlier, so I speculate that somehow the loss of their last provinces in the Transoxiana region has something to do with becoming Cuman vassals (I can't think of anything else significant to that part of the world that happened during that time).

If it's helpful to see a count with another count as a vassal, at least one exists in ilkhancuman (maybe both saves). IIRC it's Chief of Bihar liege to Chief of Pecs - somewhere in that SW Hungary region. There may well be others (and have been at earlier times in the game).

As an aside, the Cumans and Russians really should have different colors on the map... :)
 
I'll see if I have time to test them over the weekend.

I don't know if these will load properly, at least opening the files directly will give a weird format and seems to never finish. Would it be too much to ask to .zip or .rar them?
 
Grosshaus said:
I'll see if I have time to test them over the weekend.

I don't know if these will load properly, at least opening the files directly will give a weird format and seems to never finish. Would it be too much to ask to .zip or .rar them?
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Hmm, looks like the text is all on one line now. :confused: I'll see if I can zip them on my PC (I'm primarily a Mac user - my Windows skills don't extend much beyond playing games). I could zip them here on my Mac, but with the text file already screwed up that wouldn't really help. Update ETA Sunday or Monday, sorry about the delay...
 
RAR'ed files:

dukearchbishop2.rar
ilkhancuman2.rar

Turns out the loss of line breaks is from ck-purge, not any Windows-OSX wackiness. So the files in the original post should work just fine, they're just not legible when you open them up in a text editor. The RAR'ed files above have the standard line breaks when uncompressed (and thus are 6 Mb larger than the files in my previous post).
 
in my current game as Sweden, i actually have two king vassals, Iceland and Teutonic Order.
 
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