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Attention AARland:

I hesitated to make this public because I thought it could be handled behind the scenes and seamlessly rectified without further word. Yet...slow action causes me to press. I need not explain the issue to you for you surely know it already. Just over a month ago, I sent this message to @DebbieElla (Forum Community Manager) , @TinyWiking (Team Lead - Customer Support) , @Castellon (Paradox Forum Manager) and @Qorten (our Moderator) [All self or forum described positions according to their profile and for Q who is "Crazy Cat Person. Meow!" and we love him for that - this is NOT his fault but he should be included in the discussion.]

The message -

I am directing this letter to whomever might have the power to make some change as regards the above topic. Since the release of Crusader Kings 3, the After Action Reports for this game maintains a space separate from where the other AARs are located on the forum. This may seem a minor point to some from Paradox but it is not in any way for those of us that reside mainly in that area of the forum. Without going into a lengthy history of what has been built there over these last twenty years, we like to call it AARland and the integration of each subsection of game AARs has been a painstaking process from inception and lasting through to this day. It is a community. Each and every member of that community buys the games produced by Paradox and each AAR is a selling point for these games. In short, it is a free advertisement opportunity for the company as has been proven many times over since it was first developed.

I have copied TinyWiking, Castellon and Qorten (the only active moderator that we see in that area at this time) on this message because they are aware of who I am. Relatively unimportant in the grand scheme of things but I do think that I have some bona fides to speak on this issue. I joined this forum in 2002 and starting buying Paradox games earlier than that. I was a moderator on the forum for this section from 2006 through 2011 and put in hours of work each day to keep it safe and secure, fun and indeed integrated. It was not an easy process to pull all of these AARs together but once they were there were many (myself included) that helped to try and foster that forum spirit and cohesiveness. It is not easy to “herd cats” but we were successful and have maintained that spirit for all these many years. I remain there to this day and do whatever I might to continue to foster that community spirit by writing (was awarded by Paradox itself specifically for this in 2017) and sponsoring activities and events to further that.

Since the release of this latest game, it now divides what has been built. There does not seem to be any imaginable reason that CK3 AARs do not have a link and are indeed not part of the wider section of AARs. To get to those works, one must go through the specific game subforum. This is unprecedented since at least the attempt to keep Diplomacy apart and that was rectified by Paradox and we were then and remain now very appreciative. Regardless of the success of that game, it maintained what had been built. We remained a cohesive subforum dedicated to writing about Paradox games. My fear is that once this instance remains as it is, we may lose what was a long and arduous task of building a strong community of writers.

This request is that the CK3 AARs be given a subheader and direct link through the AAR area portal as all other games currently have. It has always been thus with Paradox games and should remain in future if the company desires this area to continue to develop as it has. Having not been on the moderating staff since 2011, I am not privy to any information that might keep it separate but may imagine that it could be a platform issue. But surely that can be rectified quite easily with the proper request. It only takes the asking of it...and I am asking for that so we may continue what we have built and move forward as a strong and thriving community under the Paradox banner.

Please make no mistake – the members of this forum are entirely grateful and thankful for this free area in which to read about and write about these games. Many of our members are quite active in all areas of the full Paradox forum for each game and into what our AARland is listed under...the Fun Forums. As a game company, it is entirely unnecessary but what was then and remains now a brilliant way in which to interact with fans and buyers of these games. It is surely a cost in both finances and manpower to supervise, but it continues to help sell the games (thus making money) and our area specifically keeps people around to perhaps purchase more games. Not a poor thing in this day and age when attention spans are easily distracted and there are no lack of other games and things to purchase or invest time in and with.

It is to the benefit of Paradox to help keep this AAR section alive and thriving. As a representative of this company I ask you for the above and hope that these words may help make that movement towards what should have been readily apparent upon the release of that game. If that will not happen, I would ask why not? As stated, I have been around here for a long time and have messaged Johan personally as well as interacted with many of the former and current administrators of this forum (several of whom that have written within the AARland community.) I was content prior to this time to assume this would be remedied eventually but that it has not yet occurred, I felt need to reach out and at least find out why if not press to see it corrected.

I thank you for your time reading this and I hope that I have impressed the importance of this request. Your service on this forum is valued and we, as fans of the games and company, thank you! I would appreciate response and obviously more so a remedy to this problem.


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I will tell you that I did receive response that it would be looked at and then I received no further word. Two weeks later I followed up and was told that things were busy. Fair enough. We all hold busy lives. And I sent word in just this weekend in reply that inaction is no action. It may be that Paradox wishes no change and so lack of words (or few words) causes them to think that we may be placated. I will not be. My words above prove that I am not in any way pleased with this situation and how it is being resolved. So now I ask of you...

Please offer your virtual signature to this petition plea so I may return with a number of names and membAARs of this place we call AARland. I know not that it will be received well or seriously, but we must do all that we can and it has taken too long already. I would ask that you petition plea yourself without being abusive or a troll for we (and I) certainly respect the positions that Paradox has given to them, but pressure at this time is a thing that must be used if we wish to see this changed. If you value AARland, your voice should be heard. The more we gain, the more we might make an impact. Please sign on if you care and I thank you in advance.
 
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@coz1, we have to be careful, as starting petitions is against the current forum guidelines and rules. They have been getting super specific about them.

I support this, but I also don't want them to shit can us because we're "causing some trouble."

Don'ts

Do not call for boycotts and create petitions.
 
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We shall see. If they want to ban me now after 20 years of service and duty because I hold a very heart felt view...well. We shall see. I am tired of this.

[Edit - I did indeed see some new guidelines on the rules. I need to change my sig to reflect that as it has been there for years. The mod in me remains...not that I was ever paid for it.]

[Edit the second - I will change the title of the thread to conform with forum rules but the spirit remains the same.]
 
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As mentioned previously, I do want to make this happen, but I simply haven't had time. Doing something public like this not only toes the line of what we allow on the forum, it also doesn't make me work any faster, because there just isn't enough time to sort this out right now.
 
I wish to thank you again @DebbieElla as I have done for both your service to the forum and your attention to this particular issue. As may be seen, I feel rather strongly about it and I am not the only one. I do not wish to skirt forum rules or create troubles for you or any other admin having been there myself. Yet I know that this is as much a company decision (at least at first blush) as any other and so I wish the company to see how many truly feel this way.

I do respect your time constraints, and more than anything, I appreciate you stating that you "want to make it happen" for as I've seen elsewhere on the forum that is the first admission of that from anyone that represents Pdox. Thank you and all of us in AARland thank you! :)
 
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I don't want to break any rules, and don't want to cause any trouble to coz1, so bear in mind I'm not supporting any petition.

But as a reader (and now writer) of the CK3 AAR section, I am waiting for this change for a long long time, and I'm really thankful to coz1 to have brought that problem to the forum management team. The exclusion of this section from AARlands and its relegation to an obscure corner of the CK3 forum had some bad consequences on its community.

Thank you coz1 for this initiative, and DebbieElla for listening to us!
 
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Sincere apologies for posting on the thread.

Would like to express gratitude for:
coz1; sincerely thankful for your initiative. Agreeing, concurring, supporting wholeheartedly.
DebbieElla; genuinely, sincerely, earnestly thankful for the reply. It is extraordinarily reassuring that AARland is looked after by the moderators.


Hopefully ck3AAR page will be included; as a ck3 writAAR, sincerely wishing for it to join with its family (ck-player), its overlord (hello eu), its great-power-sphere (greetings vicky), its faction (salutation, hoi), its mothership (juggernaut class, hi stellaris), the AARland.


Once again sincere apologies for bothering. Please stay safe, stay healthy.


filcat
 
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Great to hear that forum administration are looking into making this happen. I know we are just a small corner of the Paradox community here in AARland - but in all honesty it’s this section of the forum that really brings your games to life for me and many others. I’m glad action is coming to keep the community together.
 
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Just wanted to drop a line that I'm fully on board with this. It's never made much sense to me that the CK3 AARs were all off on their lonesome when the AARs for all of Paradox's other flagship games are consolidated together.

That being said, from my own time as a moderator on a gaming forum (not this one) I understand that there are many moving pieces involved in these sorts of things, and I'll be the last one to call for any torches and pitchforks.
 
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I just have to echo what @Werther said: CKIII AAR's are isolated from the rest of AARland and that's unfortunate for readers and writers alike.

I'm a regular reader of Stellaris and CKIII AARs, and I've found that navigating between the two AAR sections is usually somewhere between an inconvenience and an annoyance. All other AAR sections are gathered together in one corner of the site that is easy to navigate and explore. See the site navigation maps below...


Assuming the user is clicking the most direct navigation links available on the page:

From Stellaris to HOI4:
  • Stellaris AAR Forums -> AARs, LPs, and Fanfiction -> Hearts of Iron 4 AAR Forums (2 pages to destination)
From Stellaris to CKIII:
  • Stellaris AAR Forums -> AARs, LPs, and Fanfiction -> Forums -> Crusader Kings III -> CKIII AAR Forums (Five four pages to destination at minimum, up to 9 at maximum if you don't know the path in advance and stumble around a bit)


I am very glad to know that someone in the PDX chain of command is aware of the issue and I thank them for hearing us out.
 
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I applaud you all for adding your words to this issue. I hope more will find the bravery to do so. It is an important topic and my reasoning for starting this thread was to show just how many felt this way. Numbers matter. You need not apologize for speaking your mind (as long as it is respectful and adhering to the rules) and there shall be no pitchforks (because I too know how that goes.) We are merely describing to a person just how important this issue is and remains until it is rectified. Thank you again for the support. :)
 
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Because of your past service I will choose to ignore the combative undertones of the original post (interpreting them as well intentioned if misguided), and simply put in my own time on this Easter Sunday to give all my friends in AARland an Easter Miracle and grant your wish. I think I have rebuilt all the permission correctly in the database, if there are any issues feel free to ping me. Happy writing. :)
 
Hurray! :)
 
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Oh my god! Thank you so much @Castellon!

We are part of AARland!
 
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I think I have rebuilt all the permission correctly in the database, if there are any issues feel free to ping me. Happy writing. :)
echo->gettime
t=[1.9s]
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filcat, filcat,
Deine Welt sind die Worte. – The words are your world.
AARland, AARland,
Denn hier oben bist du zu Haus‘. – Because up here is your home.
Dunkle Tannen, – Dark firs,
Grüne Wiesen im Sonnenschein, – Green meadows in the sunshine,
ck3, ck3,
Brauchst du zum Glücklichsein! – Are what you need to be happy!

filadicat, filadicat, filadicat, filadicat; filadicat filadicat, filadicat, filadicat,
fila-di-la-di-la-di
fi-la-di-a-cat!

ck3, ck3,
Kommt nach
Haus‘, findet ihr Glück, – Comes home, finds her fortune,
Kommt doch wieder zurück! – Comes back after all!


Dort in den endlosen Worten, – There within the infinite words,
Lebt ein kleiner AutAAR; – Lives a little authAAR;
Gut Freund mit allen Worte, – Good friends with all words,
Ist glücklich jetzt in dieser Zeit; – Now happy in this moment.
Im Winter wie im Sommer, – In the winter and in the summer,
Auch wenn all die Worten flieg′n, – Also when all the words fly,
Am Morgen und im Abendschein, – In the morning and in the evening lights,
Wenn rot das AARland glüh'n! – When the AARland glows red!

filcat, filcat,
Deine Welt sind die Worte.
AARland, AARland,
Denn hier oben bist du zu Haus‘.
Dunkle Tannen,
Grüne Wiesen im Sonnenschein,
ck3, ck3,
Brauchst du zum Glücklichsein!

filadicat, filadicat, filadicat, filadicat; filadicat filadicat, filadicat, filadicat,
fila-di-la-di-la-di
fi-la-di-a-cat!
ck3, ck3,
Kommt
nach Haus‘, findet ihr Glück,
Kommt doch wieder zurück! [*]


[*] Appropriated from the opening theme (german version) of Heidi, Girl of the Alps アルプスの少女ハイジ ; anime series (1974), adapted from the novel by Johanna Spyri (1880).
Original score composed by Takeo Watanabe (Watanabe Takeo 渡辺 岳夫); german version by Gert Wilden, sung by the duo Gitti und Erika, for which they were awarded with a gold record. Versions in other languages also available.


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I see AAR-trees of CK2,
And now CK3-
roses too.
I see them bloom,
For me and for you.
And I think to myself,
What a wonderful world​
I see Stellaris-skies of blue
And EU4-clouds of white,
The bright blessed day,
The dark sacred night.
And I think to myself,
What a wonderful world​
The colours of the Vicky2-rainbow,
So pretty in the sky,
Are also on the faces,
Of I:R-people going by​
I see HoI-friends shaking hands,
Saying, "How do you do?"
They're really saying
"I love you"​
I hear words dance
I watch them grow
They'll fly much more
Than I'll ever know
And I think to myself
What a wonderful world​

Yes, I think to myself
What a wonderful world

Ooh yeah [*]


[*] Appropriated from the single What a Wonderful World by Louis Armstrong (1967).


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Grand finale, Op. 49, The Year 1812, Solemn Overture, Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky, 1882


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I think I have rebuilt all the permission correctly in the database, if there are any issues feel free to ping me. Happy writing. :)
ahem. Thank you:)



Be.: Grammatikalische Fehler wurden korrigiert.
 
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I appreciate your interpretation @Castellon because that was entirely what it was. More than anything, I sincerely thank you for this and wish to thank @DebbieElla as well for her attention to the issue. You have made many, many people very, very happy. AARland thanks you! :)
 
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Because of your past service I will choose to ignore the combative undertones of the original post (interpreting them as well intentioned if misguided), and simply put in my own time on this Easter Sunday to give all my friends in AARland an Easter Miracle and grant your wish. I think I have rebuilt all the permission correctly in the database, if there are any issues feel free to ping me. Happy writing. :)

Thank you. It's good this has finally been resolved.

If I may offer a humble suggestion, when Vicky 3 comes out, let's try to make sure it's included in AAR land in a prompt manner so we do not have a repeat of this frustrating episode.
 
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