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Well, I've heard many times on this forum that the US is the only new country that can form. However, I was recently playing a multiplayer game in which Brittany declared independence. So is the US rhetoric wrong? If so, what other countries can liberate themselves?

Thanks! :p
 
Actually, as far as I know, any conquered country will liberate themselves if you let them get a high enough revolt risk in their former capital. In a recent hands-off observer game in ICG 1.9, I saw Corsica revolt from (and be reconquered by) Spain at least 10 times! And there were certainly plenty of other revolts, like Transylvania, Venice (which had been anexed by Austria), Tuscany, The Netherlands (of course) etc, etc.
 
Re: Re: Independence?

Originally posted by Sindai
Actually, as far as I know, any conquered country will liberate themselves...
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I think that's "any conquered country that has a shield and identifier in the game files..." Which is why Brittany, which in the IGC does start as a semi-independant (vassal of France) country and has a shield in the graphics files, can become independant. And also why, if given enough prodding, any of the other countries so identified can become independant. What's different about the USA and Netherlands in the regular GC is that events are 'skewed' to lead to their revolting and declaring independance in just about every game, and they never start the game as independant states.
Now Mr Huzzy will doubtless post to tell me that all that is explicitly spelled out in the FAQ which I have never gotten around to reading all of...
 
It is worth noting that the capital of a revolting nation does not need
to be the capital that it has at the start of the game.

In real life The Knights (as called in EU) were granted Malta
10 years after Rhodes fell. Imagine my glee when Malta revolted
against Spain and The Knights reappeared in a recent GC.

In another GC Georgia has also reformed with Georgia the capital
- not Sochi which remains part of Crimea.
 
I have seen Holstein and Aragon (along with others) declare independendence in a GC-game .
These where the first countires not starting the game, and I love the game for it.
To me it most often seems to happen when these provinces are conquered by nations far away (an EU aspect I doesn't like - Aragon declared independence from - sigh - Denmark) and the rebellions isn't put down.
 
Re: Re: Re: Independence?

Originally posted by Boris Badanov
Now Mr Huzzy will doubtless post to tell me that all that is explicitly spelled out in the FAQ

OK, all this is explicitly spelled out in the FAQ !!! ;)

Well it is kind of, you just have to open up it in notepad. It's one of the easter eggs in it (easter egg = somthing I've intended to add for a while but has been too lazy to actually finish up properly).

which I have never gotten around to reading all of...

Oh yeah ?

Well I'll see to it that Paradox includes and extra 10p BB value on you personlly in the next patch for it ;)
 
In different GCs (not IGCs) I've seen Burgundy, Aragon, Sardinia, and Holstein all form into an independent Nations. None which were present at the start of the GC. I think most of us are aware of the Dutch Nationalism feature (which allows the Netherlands to form.)

I've heard about Brittany, and Provence forming. There is also a rumor (via rulebook and forum) the US can form under proper circumstances.

Are there any other specific "National Regions" (i.e. Ukraine, Norway)
that can form as a pre-determined part of the game? Or can random Nations form from a Civil War or period of discontent?

Again, the questions pertain to regular GC not IGC.
 
Re: Re: Re: Re: Independence?

Originally posted by Huszics
Well I'll see to it that Paradox includes and extra 10p BB value on you personlly in the next patch for it ;) [/B]
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You're too late; having been a First Sergeant in the US Army my BB value is already in multiple digits...
In my defense, I would point out that this is the only game I've seen that has two FAQ sites, plus the FAQ forum here, plus lots of discussions in the Scenario and General Forums of questions and suggestins about gameplay... If I spend any more time trying to keep up with all of it my wife is going to add a few more telling digits to my personal BB rating!
 
OKay. so what's the revolt.csv file?

I think Revolters and the revolt.csv are two different things. Revolters are nations, like the US and Royalists in the original GC and Serbia and New Spain in the ICG, that only appear in the game as part of a revolution. They have a tag assigned to them but don't start the game as nations. Whether they ever show up in a given game depends on whether the conditions are met for their appearance.

The revolt.csv, I think, controls the conditions under which Revolters will appear, but also controls the conditions under which a country will reappear after it is conquered. If a country is conquered by another, there's always a chance that a nationalist rebellion will occur and the rebels will declare independence, if certain conditions occur. The revolt.csv file sets the conditions for each country.
 
In one of my GC's part of France broke off and formed "Protestant France", which stayed independent until the end of the game. It was three or four provinces in the south.

I've also had one game where The Netherlands didn't form, because Spain was HRE at the time and was able to move troops easily to stop the revolutions.

bruce
 
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