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Utretch

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After playing a bit in Indonesia I've noticed several islands that appear to deserve straights that do not, such as between Bali/Java, and Sulu/Maguindanao.

Slightly different note, shouldn't Indonesia be largely composed of inland seas, as well as the Red Sea and Persian Gulf.
 
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As for the second question: I don't think those seas should be inland seas, considering the fact that this is most relevant for the usage of galleys. I don't think it makes sense if there's widespread use of galleys in Indonesia.
 
I think the inland sea thing might be more important if protecting trade was based off of combat strength rather than hardcoded, but according to the wiki it currently isn't, rather it's based on ship model and Diplo tech. http://www.eu4wiki.com/Naval_warfare#Protect_trade

I would totally agree with you about the straits, though. Sulu is the only island in all of the Philippines trade node that you can't reach by crossing, seems a bit odd. And it took me quite a while to realize that the sea border between Blambangan and Bali wasn't in fact a strait. Makes no sense, and makes it a pain to conquer Majapahit early on... also it is literally called the Bali strait https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bali_Strait

Other than that little pathing quibble, the Makassar campaign is going swimmingly thus far. Majapahit is kaput and Kutai and Sunda are on the ropes with help from Brunei and Sulu, and soon I'll be off to spread Hinduism to the heathens down under.
 
As for the second question: I don't think those seas should be inland seas, considering the fact that this is most relevant for the usage of galleys. I don't think it makes sense if there's widespread use of galleys in Indonesia.

Galley warfare was overwhelmingly dominant in maritime South-East Asia. The strategic naval geography is very similar to Meditterainean conditions, and for similar reasons galleys were preferred over other kinds of ships. This remained true throughout the EU period. When Europeans arrived in the region, local shipbuilders adopted certain Mediterranean techniques. I think there's very strong grounds for making the sea around Indonesia an inland sea.

From 'Of Fortresses and Galleys The 1568 Acehnese Siege of Melaka, after a ContemporaryBird's-Eye View' by Pierre-Yves Manguin in Modern Asian Studies, Vol. 22, No. 3, Special Issue: Asian Studies in Honour ofProfessor Charles Boxer (1988), pp. 607-628:

“As is obvious from the drawing, the Acehnese fleet was constituted entirely of long, galley-type oared ships of various sizes.

The caption text says that altogether there were 300 sails, a somewhat smaller figure than that given in Couto's narrative of the siege (346 in all), in which he provides us with a precise list of the ships involved: 3 large galleys from Malabar, 3 'bastardas' galleys, 60 'fustas' and 'galeotas', more than 200 'lancharas' (malay lancaran), 80 'baloes' (malay balang), and 2 large 'champanas' (malay sampan) loaded with ammunition.

According to both Couto's description and our bird's-eye view (inaccurate only in the depicted amount of ships, not in the caption), we thus have a composite fleet, a mosaic of local and Mediterranean craft of various sizes. This is a typical situation for sixteenth and seventeenth centuries Southeast Asian seas. Earlier in the sixteenth century, Mediterranean shipbuilding techniques began to be introduced by the Portuguese and the Turks in the Indian Ocean. These soon spread into Southeast Asian waters, where they found a favourable ground for expansion, as 'long' oared vessels (as opposed to the 'round' tradingjong) had for many years been the backbone of local war fleets: they were well suited to the archipelagic environment of Insular Southeast Asia, with its small closed seas allowing for coastal navigation (cf. the Italian word costeggiare, often used for Mediterranean shipping) and frequently unstable winds.”
 
Turning Indonesia and the Philippines into a inland sea would be a fantastic idea as neondt mentioned, and would better represent the naval warfare of the region.
 
I very much agree with this. Playing in Indonesia still just feels pretty off to me, and this is probably a big reason why.
 
I know this is slightly off topic but there should also be a strait-crossing between the Kurils and Kamchatka, Sakhalin and Hokkaido, Palawan and Luzon, and Taiwan and China. I just thought I would say that given that we are talking about more straits.

Indonesia is laughably bland in-game and I would love for the fall of Hinduism, Dutch and Portuguese colonization, and the interactions with SE Asia more fleshed out. This is a great excuse for a naval upgrade as well.
 
That and a severe lack of nations in the region.

Oh, I was well aware of that. Some EUIV patches improved it from how it used to be, but it still doesn't feel very much like the historical situation.

Part of the problem comes down to the fact that Europeans 'colonised' these areas, not annexing the governments in a modern sense, but generally building there own colonies within these provinces. Due to this, adding more tags unfortunately makes it easier for Europeans to take control of these regions, since supply (and lack thereof) just doesn't exist in the game, whereas colonisation does have a hard limitation (colonial range and settler count.)