Inheritence problem : Giving counties to sons who are not heir makes them inherit more than first born son.

[Golden_Lord]

Information​

I have verifed my game files (Steam only)​

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Summary​

Inheritence problem : Giving counties to sons who are not heir makes them inherit more than first born son.

Description​

Technically first born son should inherit the "lion's share' of the inheritence; however, if I give regions during the life of the main character and then after getting more land i can finally give some to my heir; game doesn't consider the regions i gave previously to the other sons. So now, the second, third, and fourth sons can inherit 4-5 regions and first born son can only inherit 2? Does not work as intended as primary heir should inherit the lion's share.

Detail of inheritence :
Heir will get 3 counties : Dalak, Semien, Bergemder.
Second son will get 4 counties : Waj, Intarta, Gafat, Tigre
Third son will get 4 counties : Ifat, Angot, Gojjam, Showa
Fourth son will get 3 counties : Amhara, Agaw-Meder, Lasta

Steps to reproduce​

Conquer regions and give them to sons who are not primary heir. Conquer more regions later, cannot give any of the new region to primary heir even if other sons have many more regions that they are going to inherit.

Game Version​

1.9.2.1

Platform​

Windows

Additional Information​

Affected Feature​

• Gameplay

Save Game​

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[TealCat]

You didn't post any screenshots or save games, that makes it very hard to guess what the exact problem is.

I assume your succession type is either confederate partition or partition.
The idea of these succession types is not that the first born son should get the lion's share, but that inheritance should be fair in the sense that every son gets roughly the same. It can sometimes be strange or even frustrating what the game considers to be "fair", but it does take into account what has been given to children during your lifetime.
Maybe the problem is that you only gave them counties, but not higher titles?
If the oldest son inherits a kingdom, but the younger sons only got county-level titles the game will consider this unfair and try to give the other sons more counties to account for the missing status. In theory, the idea is that if you are a king then all of your sons should be kings or at least dukes, so if you do not fulfill that then your domain gets split between them to account for that.
You can always look at the succession tab to see who gets what. And if you give a title to a son during your lifetime you should see in the succession tab that his inheritance becomes smaller.

 

[SirL]

You didn't post any screenshots or save games, that makes it very hard to guess what the exact problem is.

I assume your succession type is either confederate partition or partition.
The idea of these succession types is not that the first born son should get the lion's share, but that inheritance should be fair in the sense that every son gets roughly the same. It can sometimes be strange or even frustrating what the game considers to be "fair", but it does take into account what has been given to children during your lifetime.
Maybe the problem is that you only gave them counties, but not higher titles?
If the oldest son inherits a kingdom, but the younger sons only got county-level titles the game will consider this unfair and try to give the other sons more counties to account for the missing status. In theory, the idea is that if you are a king then all of your sons should be kings or at least dukes, so if you do not fulfill that then your domain gets split between them to account for that.
You can always look at the succession tab to see who gets what. And if you give a title to a son during your lifetime you should see in the succession tab that his inheritance becomes smaller.

Spoiler: I'm super tired, don't look here. This is wrong.

This doesn't answer the guy's issue, which I can confirm from my own experience is actually an issue. If a character has, say, 9 counties and 3 sons, each of them should inherit 3 counties under confederate partition. If you grant the second and third sons, who are not your primary heirs, 3 counties each before the succession occurs, the game will correctly identify that they have already received their share and not try and split the remaining 3 counties.
Now, if you start conquering or acquiring more provinces, say you get 9 more, the game will then split those 9 between your 3 sons again. Except you don't have 9, but 12 counties (because you couldn't grant the 3 to you primary heir). So now you have 12 / 3, or 4 + 4 + 4. Your primary heir inherits 4, your second and third heirs inherit 7. They had 3 already, but the game splits newly conquered provinces between all your heirs.

I also noticed that there was something wrong with how newly acquired provinces are split long ago. Somehow, they make it so that the heirs who have been granted provinces before acquiring new ones always receive more than the primary heir (given they're all the same tier). I'll need to test it out.

 

[Golden_Lord]

You didn't post any screenshots or save games, that makes it very hard to guess what the exact problem is.

I assume your succession type is either confederate partition or partition.
The idea of these succession types is not that the first born son should get the lion's share, but that inheritance should be fair in the sense that every son gets roughly the same. It can sometimes be strange or even frustrating what the game considers to be "fair", but it does take into account what has been given to children during your lifetime.
Maybe the problem is that you only gave them counties, but not higher titles?
If the oldest son inherits a kingdom, but the younger sons only got county-level titles the game will consider this unfair and try to give the other sons more counties to account for the missing status. In theory, the idea is that if you are a king then all of your sons should be kings or at least dukes, so if you do not fulfill that then your domain gets split between them to account for that.
You can always look at the succession tab to see who gets what. And if you give a title to a son during your lifetime you should see in the succession tab that his inheritance becomes smaller.

No, it is not a fair share, all my sons except my heir are getting more regions. There was a bug on the forum, and the save game was not added I just added it now.

 

[TealCat]

So maybe there is a bug with newly acquired counties, but I really think in your game at least part of the problem is:
You hold a kingdom title and 5 duchy titles.
Your sons only hold county titles. So obviously they think: Our father is a king and 5-time duke, we also want to be dukes! (If we cannot all be kings)
So succession promises to your oldest son one kingdom and one duchy title.
To your third son it promises 2 duchies, and to the other sons it promises 1 duchy each.
So to your second son you gave 1 county in Lasta, 1 county in Showa and 1 in Gojjam. The game wants to give him the Showa duchy, but you still hold the Showa county. So when your son becomes the duke of Showa, he will also get the county inside the duchy. That is why the Showa county will go to him, not your firstborn.
To your third son you gave counties in Aksum, Showa and Gojjam. He will become the duke of Aksum and Gojjam, so the game wants to give him whatever is inside these duchies, like Tigre which you hold. So again, this is why Tigre goes to him and not your firstborn.
Your fourth son holds counties in Lasta and Gojjam, so the game wants to give him the duchy of Lasta and with it the county of Lasta, which you hold, so, again, this does not go to your firstborn.

So the problem seems to me that you gave all of them lands spread out over lots of different duchies, instead of giving each one duchy and the counties that belong to that duchy.

I redistributed them in debug mode, gave each of the younger sons one duchy and the counties within it and destroyed one duchy title.

Now inheritance looks like this:

Of course this does not mean that there isn't a bug and if someone can narrow it down, that would be great.

But I still think if you distribute titles in a more sensible manner (e.g. give each son one duchy and the counties that belong to it), you will get better succession results.

So for your game what I would suggest is to try and redistribute the titles. You can fabricate claims on your sons' counties, so you can take them away without tyranny or you just accept a bit of tyranny in order to get a cleaner succession.

 

[TealCat]

Oh, and I just saw that you have accepted a negotiated alliance with your second son. Unfortunately that means that you cannot revoke titles from him. But something you could easily do is e.g. revoke the counties in Lasta from your other sons, destroy the duchy title and then give these counties to your main heir.