Interview with CivV designer; mentions PI

[RedRalphWiggum]

http://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/5966/building_civilization_v.php?page=3

Civilization is about as open-ended as it gets in terms of historical strategy. What do you think about the sort of partially-directed games, like the ones from Paradox? Hearts of Iron, Europa Universalis, and so on.

JS: I love those games. Hearts of Iron was actually one of the only games that was able to pull me away from Civilization for a little while, and I really enjoyed it. In some ways, it captures that same sense of being in charge of everything. You kind of have a pre-made setup, but from there you're in complete control up until the end.

That also touches on the same desires, I think. They're a little bit more hardcore and a little more focused on the historical side of things, but it's still something that I think is great. And I still play it, so... [laughs]

 

[Alexspeed]

Nice words, good to hear.

We are HARDCORE weee... :rofl:

 

[Inner Circle]

I would say this is an acolade for Paradox

 

[SAS]

A confirmation of what I already knew HARDCORE !!

 

[Romtos]

I can agree with him. Civ IV and EU3 are probably my most played games. They're different, but probably serve a similar taste.

 

[Wetew]

I can agree with him. Civ IV and EU3 are probably my most played games. They're different, but probably serve a similar taste.

Bought Civ IV on release... Have tried over and over again to play it but I just can't find it funny, challenging or anything similar to how I feel about Paradox games (especially Eu3). So guess I'm more hardcore then you

 

[DarthJF]

I've never got into Civilizations. It all just feels too abstact and unfocused for my tastes.

But I kind of like the attitude devs are having when they're talking about Civ V, so I might give it a chance later on. Maybe it turns out good, or not.

 

[TeddyRoosevelt]

I used to be a HUGE fan of the Civ series, spent all my time on Civfanatics forums. But now that I've gotten into Paradox games, I can't go back. It does feel very abstract, and doesn't give you the sense of control EU3 and the others give. Plus I don't approve of 2k's marketing methods or their copy protection choice. Their Steam only announcement turned Civfanatics into a very argumentative place. That's why I now reside in the much friendlier Paradox forums, where fans can actually communicate with the developers.

 

[Wildy]

Hardcore?

I would say that we are the gourmets of strategy gaming.
We only accept the finest stuff.

 

[jonlucero]

What got me totally off Civ was actually Hearts of Iron II, that was in 2008.:rofl: I only went back to try Civ: colonization briefly.

The community should celebrate!

 

[Morboth]

We... are... HARDCORE!!

 

[Romtos]

Bought Civ IV on release... Have tried over and over again to play it but I just can't find it funny, challenging or anything similar to how I feel about Paradox games (especially Eu3). So guess I'm more hardcore then you

Naturally, I cannot let such a taunt go by unchallenged or my fragile hardcore ego would be hurt beyond repair. So, I also happen to play Dwarf Fortress. *gasp*
That should make me sufficiently hardcore again.

 

[Kallocain]

That was nice to read! The rest of the interview was also good. I liked the example on how Civ is less historically accurate (Gandhi bombing people. )

 

[jonlucero]

(Gandhi bombing people. )

Nuking. I've tried that at least once, so much for being peaceful.

 

[jordarkelf]

Cool to see the recognition. Civ and "EU" (including HOI, Vicky, etc.) are the two great historical series IMO -- Civ being the fantasy sandbox variant, and EU the serious hardcore choice.
I have been enjoying both series since I first discovered them (CivII and EU1 respectively).

 

[telesien]

I used to be hardcore.



Then I switched to Dwarf Fortress!!

 

[ashandresash]

I'm getting hardcore because of Paradox. I was a big fan of Civ (even CivIII) till I discovered HoIDoomsday and so on. Now I'm enjoying AGEOD and Matrix games... but not at Paradox level.

I'm not too interested in Civ5 actually. I prefer speculating on which will be the next Paradox release (CK2? A new series, perhaps?) and when we'll be enjoying next expansion (whatever).

EDIT: Yes, I'm a fanboy... Difficult not showing as one after having played Vicky2 demo

 

[Johan]

Jon Shafer is a great designer and a nice guy. He used to be pretty active on this forum back in the old hoi1 days.

 

[TheDarkside]

I liked the example on how Civ is less historically accurate (Gandhi bombing people. )

Just have to know the right buttons to push

 

[TheDarkside]

Paradox games are by far my favorite. If only they made a space colonization grand strategy game with deep trading system - I would be in heaven