Irish Nation Status

[CaptainDelap]

In Ireland, the dev team have got some things wrong, specifically in the kingdoms around the pale. Most of these owed allegiance to the English crown. Either they should be made vassals, marches, or some other similar status. Kildare should also be basically unchallenged in dominance over this region, especially in comparison to Ormond.
Anyone else see any more inaccuracies in Ireland? I hope the devs will fix these!

 

[Zohtun]

In Ireland, the dev team have got some things wrong, specifically in the kingdoms around the pale. Most of these owed allegiance to the English crown. Either they should be made vassals, marches, or some other similar status. Kildare should also be basically unchallenged in dominance over this region, especially in comparison to Ormond.
Anyone else see any more inaccuracies in Ireland.? I hope the devs will fix these!

Do you really want to try unify Ireland while either trapped as a march (and having to fight England to be free first) or with half your necessary lands under England (and again, requiring fighting England for the sake of a couple of tiny provinces)?

Additionally, they nominally owed allegiance but it was hardly enforced and none of them actually paid any lip service to England. Eu4 lacks a system for "Acknowledges you kicked their face in the past but wouldn't so much as move to hand you water while you're dying of thirst" so independence is fine.

Lastly, Kildare only became the undisputed power by the end of the 15th century. Game starts mid-15th century.

 

[CaptainDelap]

Do you really want to try unify Ireland while either trapped as a march (and having to fight England to be free first) or with half your necessary lands under England (and again, requiring fighting England for the sake of a couple of tiny provinces)?

Additionally, they nominally owed allegiance but it was hardly enforced and none of them actually paid any lip service to England. Eu4 lacks a system for "Acknowledges you kicked their face in the past but wouldn't so much as move to hand you water while you're dying of thirst" so independence is fine.

Lastly, Kildare only became the undisputed power by the end of the 15th century. Game starts mid-15th century.

Some kind of semi-march status would be nice. It wouldn't be ALL the Irish minors. Just Kildare, Ormond and maybe some others.

 

[Zohtun]

Some kind of semi-march status would be nice.

Best that EU4 can offer is tributary and that would require events to keep Ireland and England acting somewhat normal rather than just Ireland paying England 1 gold every year to bugger off.

 

[Calanon]

The earldoms were nominally fiefs, in a similar way to how Burgundy, Brittany and Provence were. With current EUIV mechanics it is considerably more accurate to depict them as independent, even if it misses certain nuances such as the Earl of Kildare being the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland.

 

[CaptainDelap]

The earldoms were nominally fiefs, in a similar way to how Burgundy, Brittany and Provence were. With current EUIV mechanics it is considerably more accurate to depict them as independent, even if it misses certain nuances such as the Earl of Kildare being the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland.

It would be more acurate if they were tributary

 

[Calanon]

It would be more acurate if they were tributary

No it really wouldn't.

 

[neondt]

Do you really want to try unify Ireland while either trapped as a march (and having to fight England to be free first) or with half your necessary lands under England (and again, requiring fighting England for the sake of a couple of tiny provinces)?

Additionally, they nominally owed allegiance but it was hardly enforced and none of them actually paid any lip service to England. Eu4 lacks a system for "Acknowledges you kicked their face in the past but wouldn't so much as move to hand you water while you're dying of thirst" so independence is fine.

Lastly, Kildare only became the undisputed power by the end of the 15th century. Game starts mid-15th century.

This is essentially why Ireland is the way it is in EU4. Even a tributary relationship would be excessively formal to represent English "rule" over Ireland in 1444.