Is there a Bronze Age mod?

[Zap Beeblebrox]

As the title says, I'm looking for a mod that covers the ancient times (before 800 BC) for any Paradox title.
So far I could only find Twelve Vultures by AKronblad (goes back to 746 BC, which is quite respectable) for EU IV and Lux Invicta for CK 2 (330 BC).

Do you know of any mod (or game) that goes even further back in the timeline?

Thanks

 

[Koramei]

If you're willing to wait a while, I've been working on one for EU4 set from 1000 BC for the past 6 months or so, and I aim to have a release out by Christmas.

I think Twelve Vultures is the mod set the earliest that's out right now though. I spent a while looking when I first started on mine and couldn't find anything else; there were a few that people had mentioned working on but to my knowledge those have all been abandoned for a while now, I hadn't seen updates in a long time. As for other games, the closest I think you'll find that's at all like a Paradox game are some mods for Total War.

Honestly after I started working on mine and doing more research, I see why- I love the period, but there's just... not that much going on in most of the world during the Bronze Age, so unless you wanted to limit it to just the ancient near east there wouldn't be much to it. Mine was originally gonna be set from 1500, but I moved the date forward after I realized like 75% of the map would just be blank. Even for 1000 BC I'm having to use a lot of anachronisms for the regions outside the civilizations.

 

[Gurkhal]

Sounds like a really cool mode, even while I'm late for the party, and I wish you the best success with it.

 

[loup99]

Lux Invicta starts in 1066. It does not go back in time.

 

[ᛒᛖᚱᛋᛖᚱᚲ]

Honestly after I started working on mine and doing more research, I see why- I love the period, but there's just... not that much going on in most of the world during the Bronze Age...

There's a ton of stuff going on everywhere in the Bronze Age that we simply do not have recordings of.

 

[hahaha01357]

If you're willing to wait a while, I've been working on one for EU4 set from 1000 BC for the past 6 months or so, and I aim to have a release out by Christmas.

I think Twelve Vultures is the mod set the earliest that's out right now though. I spent a while looking when I first started on mine and couldn't find anything else; there were a few that people had mentioned working on but to my knowledge those have all been abandoned for a while now, I hadn't seen updates in a long time. As for other games, the closest I think you'll find that's at all like a Paradox game are some mods for Total War.

Honestly after I started working on mine and doing more research, I see why- I love the period, but there's just... not that much going on in most of the world during the Bronze Age, so unless you wanted to limit it to just the ancient near east there wouldn't be much to it. Mine was originally gonna be set from 1500, but I moved the date forward after I realized like 75% of the map would just be blank. Even for 1000 BC I'm having to use a lot of anachronisms for the regions outside the civilizations.

There's a ton of stuff on the Spring and Autumn (771 to 476 BCE) and Warring States (475 to 221 BCE). It's perhaps the most well-documented period of Chinese history given the Chinese propensity to write down literally everything and the scholarly interest in the period as the infancy of most major Chinese philosophies.

 

[Koramei]

There's a ton of stuff going on everywhere in the Bronze Age that we simply do not have recordings of.

Poor choice of words on my part, I didn't mean to imply that actually "nothing" was going on outside the major civilizations, but a lack of records makes for poor gameplay and in the vast majority of the world there isn't the archaeology to fill in the gap yet.

There's a ton of stuff on the Spring and Autumn (771 to 476 BCE) and Warring States (475 to 221 BCE). It's perhaps the most well-documented period of Chinese history given the Chinese propensity to write down literally everything and the scholarly interest in the period as the infancy of most major Chinese philosophies.

Do you mean there are mods out for that? I'd be really interested if there are; the earliest I've found for East Asia aside from what I mentioned is the Romance of the Three Kingdoms mod for CK2, which is quite a bit later.

If you mean "well recorded stuff was happening during the Late Chinese Bronze Age", well yeah, but Zhou coincides with the Iron Age in the Near East. Periodization like that is always muddy since it can't apply to the whole world at once, but people tend to mean everything after ~1200BC when they talk about the Iron Age in general terms like that; for China they'd say Western Zhou or Spring and Autumn etc since the chronology is different.

China's actually what I'm working on now incidentally (WIP):

 

[hahaha01357]

Poor choice of words on my part, I didn't mean to imply that actually "nothing" was going on outside the major civilizations, but a lack of records makes for poor gameplay and in the vast majority of the world there isn't the archaeology to fill in the gap yet.



Do you mean there are mods out for that? I'd be really interested if there are; the earliest I've found for East Asia aside from what I mentioned is the Romance of the Three Kingdoms mod for CK2, which is quite a bit later.

If you mean "well recorded stuff was happening during the Late Chinese Bronze Age", well yeah, but Zhou coincides with the Iron Age in the Near East. Periodization like that is always muddy since it can't apply to the whole world at once, but people tend to mean everything after ~1200BC when they talk about the Iron Age in general terms like that; for China they'd say Western Zhou or Spring and Autumn etc since the chronology is different.

China's actually what I'm working on now incidentally (WIP):

Sorry I misread the initial post. I thought he wanted a mod that went as far back as 800BCE and not before that. Just wondering, many surviving records are there for Bronze Age, even for the Near East? Especially with the whole collapse at the end? Were there any detailed events during that time that doesn’t come from an Egyptian source?

 

[wingren013]

Sorry I misread the initial post. I thought he wanted a mod that went as far back as 800BCE and not before that. Just wondering, many surviving records are there for Bronze Age, even for the Near East? Especially with the whole collapse at the end? Were there any detailed events during that time that doesn’t come from an Egyptian source?

We know a bunch about the Assyrian Empire thanks to the carvings they left behind. Also a bit about what the Greeks were up to. Beyond that its pretty murky.

 

[hahaha01357]

We know a bunch about the Assyrian Empire thanks to the carvings they left behind. Also a bit about what the Greeks were up to. Beyond that its pretty murky.

Is there enough to make a flavourful game?

 

[wingren013]

Is there enough to make a flavourful game?

Maybe something where you play a general or something but we don't really know enough about the world at large to make a paradox style gsg.

Or maybe something to do with the three way struggle between the Hittites, Assyrians, and Egyptians.

Honestly you would have to make up so much though.