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I have been looking around and i found this Mod, and its seemes pretty neat. I am here in China right now and have the connection nessicary in Beijing to get to a number of different libary and measuems and get detailed info, so if there is anything you need, I'm ready to help in anyway possible. I have read the thread for events for China & Japan, and it seemes pretty complete, but if there any gaps, or just little things that you are dying to nitpick and need some one to go looking up the info, dont hesitate to ask. I offered the same help to the Stony roaders, but that didnt go anywhere, so seeing as you guys are getting stuff done, thought i'd see if i could be of any help.
Special agnet Biff reporting for duty sir! :)
 
Captain Biff? Is that you?

I'm surprised you didn't get any feedback from the Stony roaders. Was there any specific issue you wanted to work on?

Please note that the Stony Road mods are much more concerned with provding a close-to-historical gameplay challenge than having the best sprites and correct OOB's. So most of the work in the forums is centered around balancing and technical tweaks.
 
Although Biff if you have any ideas for flavor events (local to China, Japan, the rest of the Far East, etc.) they can always be interesting to add.
 
Well, Im more of a on the ground goffer. If you need leader pics, minsiter names and pics, want to know what certian soliders looked like, or other minor historical gaps in your info, I have all the prime sources right at my finger tips, so to speak.
Not much for computers, well, rather, Comp tec is rather lacking in my current situation, so i'm more the info getter.
The thing with Stony road, is that some one wanted a sub mod, as one alerady exists, Called "das Reich", for the far east, but it never really got off the ground. Great group of guys though-
Perhapse something for Korea. I read you list of events, and the one where China and Japan go to war, and then Japan joins the Central powers. Perhapse if that happens you should add something in about koreans breaking away, and then calling for Chinese support, kinda like the 1894 first sino-japanese war began. From my understanding the Korean independance movment was still pretty stong duing that time, so its something to think about.
If there is anything else i can think of, or anything else you need, or want, let me know.
 
Ummm Marshal Allenby sir....which ones do you need, which ones dont you have? What positions in which armies, are you missing, and i can tell you right now there are no air leaders.
I did notice that you have the Manchurian warlord in the game, and i have the name of a potential cabinent minister. His name is Frank "one armed" Sutton, and he was an advisor to Marshall Chang Tso-lin. He was wounded and Galipoli, and lost part of his right arm. He was an arty specilist and a Mortor-man, and could be but in a position of either Cheif of the Army, Cheif os staff(doubtful IMO) or as armerments minister. I dont have a pic yet, but am looking. If you like, you can look in to a book called "general of Fortune: the story of one armed Sutton" by Charles Drage.
I have also stumb;ed upon a man by the name of Baron Ungern-Sternberg, who is nothing short of amazing, and scary. He was a Psychopathic white russian Maj. General who fought under General Semenovs Mongol-Buryat White republic army. The reds drove Semenov in to Manchuria, and Sternberg, who I will refer to as the mand baron, led his supposed clavary unit, into Mongolia, where he actually became its leader, and tried to build a force to invade Russia. Now some where along this time-line, A shaman or Lama, or perhapse a little bird, i dont know and i dont think it matters for this guy, either way, the mad baron became convinced that he was Genghis Khan reincarnate, and he would leave the mongols to glory. This lead to the his invasion of Russia with a some-what larger force, which lead to the red invasion with help from Mongolian reds, and the proclaming of the MPR(Mongolian peoples republic) no book on that guy yet.
I am looking into the region around mongolia and, central asia, and hope to have more info soon. I think we could give some one incentive to play as some of the warlords nations if we could add some events and ministers, which i will have more of soon.
There is an intresting chain of events by which the former Ottoman war minister, Pasha, is recrutied by the bolshiviks, and sent into sinkiang, where he is to meet with reds orgnizing in that region, however he betrays the reds, and tries to form a "Pan-Turick" nation from the many tribes in the region as well as in the Kazak aera of russia. if any of this sounds intresting, and you want me to follow up, let me know, and tell me what else you need.


p.s. if you didnt know of it already, there is a book called "Chinese Civil War Armies" written by Philip Jowett and Stephen Andrew which has a bunch of info about the different armies around China at that time as well as pictures, and names.
 
biffthewhite said:
Ummm Marshal Allenby sir....which ones do you need, which ones dont you have?

Simple answer, really - the ones we dont have are the ones that aren't featured in the latest edition of the mod.


biffthewhite said:
I did notice that you have the Manchurian warlord in the game, and i have the name of a potential cabinent minister. His name is Frank "one armed" Sutton, and he was an advisor to Marshall Chang Tso-lin. He was wounded and Galipoli, and lost part of his right arm. He was an arty specilist and a Mortor-man, and could be but in a position of either Cheif of the Army, Cheif os staff(doubtful IMO) or as armerments minister. I dont have a pic yet, but am looking. If you like, you can look in to a book called "general of Fortune: the story of one armed Sutton" by Charles Drage.

Jolly good. :)


biffthewhite said:
I have also stumb;ed upon a man by the name of Baron Ungern-Sternberg, who is nothing short of amazing, and scary. He was a Psychopathic white russian Maj. General who fought under General Semenovs Mongol-Buryat White republic army. The reds drove Semenov in to Manchuria, and Sternberg, who I will refer to as the mand baron, led his supposed clavary unit, into Mongolia, where he actually became its leader, and tried to build a force to invade Russia. Now some where along this time-line, A shaman or Lama, or perhapse a little bird, i dont know and i dont think it matters for this guy, either way, the mad baron became convinced that he was Genghis Khan reincarnate, and he would leave the mongols to glory. This lead to the his invasion of Russia with a some-what larger force, which lead to the red invasion with help from Mongolian reds, and the proclaming of the MPR(Mongolian peoples republic) no book on that guy yet.
I am looking into the region around mongolia and, central asia, and hope to have more info soon. I think we could give some one incentive to play as some of the warlords nations if we could add some events and ministers, which i will have more of soon.

Sternberg and Semenov are both in the Kolchak Russia leader lists. :)



biffthewhite said:
There is an intresting chain of events by which the former Ottoman war minister, Pasha, is recrutied by the bolshiviks, and sent into sinkiang, where he is to meet with reds orgnizing in that region, however he betrays the reds, and tries to form a "Pan-Turick" nation from the many tribes in the region as well as in the Kazak aera of russia. if any of this sounds intresting, and you want me to follow up, let me know, and tell me what else you need.

Enver's post-war journey to Turkestan is probably beyond our brief. :)


biffthewhite said:
p.s. if you didnt know of it already, there is a book called "Chinese Civil War Armies" written by Philip Jowett and Stephen Andrew which has a bunch of info about the different armies around China at that time as well as pictures, and names.

It seems to be published by Osprey and still in print - I don't have it, but if you have any information from it which you think is necessary, then don't hesitate to post it.
 
Ahh, well you see, I havent played the game, only discovering it now while i'm in China, and as you know i cant play it here. So If i recall you have the republic of China and you also start with the manchurian war lord. Any others for the start of the game? You also have the Anfu faction after Yuan dies, and the Chili faction as well as the Goumingdang, and another faction based around Yunnan(whats its name btw). Dose the western warlords exist from the beggining? I can look up officers for these different factions, and then you can decide to place them in various cabinet roles, as the most likely would have dual roles. I will be looking into this during the afternoon, and again in the evening(so it will be mid-morning and afternoon for those of you in europe, and night time and moring for those in the US) and will post some more info later tonight.
About the mad Baron, you could add an event where after his faction is crushed, he defects to Mongolia and becomes its leader, i look into how all that took place, and then have Mongolia declare war on the reds, leading to its invasion and what not, if something similar dosnt already exist. Pics might take any where from a week to a month to get, unless some one can give me an e-mail address. If you have any specfics you need, tell me during the week as i will be going to Beijing next friday. If you have some one who can do sprites, and you want, or need pictures for the vairing warlord and Republic and Guomingdang armies let me know, and i can get those to you as well.
I know that this must seem kind of pointless, trying to give info for warlords that most people wont likely play, but i figure you want as much detail as possible, so i'll keep looking.
 
Okay, Names, i've got some more for you
The Chinese man in Charge of the western province was named Yang Deng-xin, and he was in charge until 1928, when he was killed. The major war lord, or at least on of them, was under the "Ma" family, or so i think(the trouble its some kind of turkestan custom, where everybody is called Ma?) The family leader was Ma Chi, and was the head general(a field marshall) his son was Ma Yuan, and(this guy is either another son of a cousin, my source was rather lacking) Ma Pu-fang. Another general was named Hsu Xu-tseng, as also was a gneral in the western sinkiang province. Now there is an intesting chain of events where Yang Deng-xin found a group of white russians from Admiral semirechesk Kolchak army, under general Annenkov, who was resting and refitting, and reenforcing on the chinese side of the sinkiang border. Yang, arrested Annenkov, and had him smoked up with opium until he lost his will to fight and then disarmed his army(rather celver perhapse security minister under Ma Chi?). Another warlord of the western region was named Lai Qi-min(another general perhapse?)

Now for the Tibetians( i know, amazing right) I have managed to secure, through rather strange surces, names of several leaders, and what not. while the obvious leader is the 13th Dalai Lama, possible military leaders (i know i can barely believe it myself) are, while i'm not sure of how names work in tibet, a man named Gelakh, who lead manily calvary forces in the north mounitan ranger of tibet, and whos forces were primairly Ngolok calvary, which were very skilled and vicious. Another military leader, was a feamle chieftan named Khumbos. The Tibeitan amrys orgizanation, where it existed, was based largely on tribal leaders, who would muster fellow members to fight, kinda like the scots did back in the day. With regards to the mad baron, the Dalai lama actually sent troops from Tibets regualr amry to support the Baron in 1920 before his invasion, and susquent death in 1921, the baron had clamied to be a bhuddist. I am trying to find the name of the arms dealer who help re-equip the tibeitan army after they broke away from the republic. now while the British funded most of it, there was a man on the ground, the only name i have thus far is Percy Armitage-shanks. Im not 100% on this name yet, it sounds a little fishy, his background being rather vague, something about a distingushed service record on the west front, and then he went to tibet in 1920, idunno?

Now, with regards to Enver Pasha, he did most of his work in turickistan between 1920 and 1921. There lands had only be conqured by the russians a generation eariler, and made a break for freedom. The Khanate of Bokhara, was formed after Envers arrival in 1920, and with his support Basmachis gurrillas fought on for the next 12 years, despite envers death in 1921, and their homeland being over run.

There is also the name of herbert maximoff, a supposed white russian, or prussian(sources arent clear) defect, who fought some where out there in central asia, just the name, perhapse you could invent somethnig for him?

I have found a number of other westerners who abound out in this remote region. There was a very famous Red agent named Mikhail Borodin, who worked aginst the British intrest in the region(an army commander perhapse or security minister for the red perhapse?). There is also a gent known only as "two-gun" Cohen, who was a close freind and advisor to Dr. Sun Zhongshan. He was from Londons east end, born to a poor immigrant family, and a one time child boxer. He befreinded Dr. Sun around 1918-1920, and became a Goumingtang General. He is best know for always wearing a suit jacket, and carring 2 pistols at all times(a possible minister, and a definite general).

Also the emir of Afganistan, Amanullah, caused considerable trouble in the region, invading British India(1919) hoping for a Muslim rebelion to break out, when it didnt , his forces were beaten back(largely due to british air power). It is believed he did this at the request of the reds, though he denied it.

The region of Afganistan, Tibet and Sinkiang became the secne of the restart of the "great game" between Britian and Russia, although now Lennin and Trotsky replaced the Czar, and the British were grealty alarmed by this. it is said the the Reds even had a number of Indian army defecties who were waiting to invade British india at the sign of unrest. This lead to the British support and rearmimg of tibet, and sending troops to protect the north-western and north eastern approches to India. Thats all for now, I will report more whne I have more clear information.
 
biffthewhite said:
Dose the western warlords exist from the beggining?

Yes they do. :)


biffthewhite said:
I know that this must seem kind of pointless, trying to give info for warlords that most people wont likely play, but i figure you want as much detail as possible, so i'll keep looking.

All detail is appreciated.


biffthewhite said:
the only name i have thus far is Percy Armitage-shanks. Im not 100% on this name yet, it sounds a little fishy, his background being rather vague, something about a distingushed service record on the west front, and then he went to tibet in 1920, idunno?

A brief bout of Googling has unearthed a Major Percy Armitage-Shanks who served on the western front and in China. I was also questioning the validity of the name as Armitage Shanks is a well renowned manufacturer of public urinals in Britain...
 
I was also questioning the validity of the name as Armitage Shanks is a well renowned manufacturer of public urinals in Britain...[/QUOTE] :rofl: my my that is funny. However i dont know if he was in Tibet or not, i might have my sources crossed. That gives me hope for Maximoff, i was just about ready to write him off as a myth. Unless you already know where Shanks belongs, i'll try to find out. If you could, could you send me a map of the region, so as to help clarify things, and what you've got and what you dont, and what events are confirmed, and which one you would want to bring in, PM works fine.
 
Well we could always having him found the Company and give a +1 industry to a particular province in England.