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Will the french commandos (also called Commando Kieffer from its founder and leader, or 1er Bataillon de Fusiliers Marins Commandos as the real name of the unit is) who landed on Sword will be in the game ? :)

Because, you know, commandos are fun ;)
 
Aint they these guys?
No, the "Commando Kieffer" is the colloquial name in France for 5th & 6th Troops of N°4 (British) Commando, 1st Special Service Brigade. Although their official French designation is "1er bataillon de Fusiliers Marins Commando".
They were 177 French Navy sailors and officers whom had underwent commando training in Scotland from 1942.

On D-Day, they were the only French troops to take an active part in the ground invasion. Landing with the 1st SSB, Lord Lovat (under whom they served) had ordered the other landing craft to slow down to let them have the honour to be the first to set foot on French soil. As such, they will also sustain the first commando casualties, among which was Lt. Hubert, the first French officer killed on D-Day, and who's name was therefore later (and to this day) given to the French Navy's most elite unit, the Commando Hubert.

Their mission that day was to neutralize the a gun battery set under the Riva Bella casino in Ouistreham, an action made famous by the Longest Day, with one (if not the) first scene shot by helicopter in movie history:
As depicted in the movie, a first assault failed, so Kieffer himself raced back to the beach and came back with a tank.
By the end of the day, 25% of the commandos were casualties. They were supposed to stay ashore for 3-4 days, then pulled back, but soldiered on in Normandy for 78 days, at the end of which only 28 out of 177 men were still on their feet.
 

As always with @EUG_MadMat, you get an entire history lesson :)

But the guy you linked are Fusiliers Marins kind of the French equivalent for Marines (though they depend of the Army and not the Navy). Because they were mainly deployed overseas they were overrepresented in the regular formations that made Free French forces. During the war, a lot of sailors joined Free France, and fought under the name of Fusiliers Marins. Thus, you have to expect a lot of those funny hat in the French 2nd DB. :D

And MadMat didn't answered....

EDIT: I confused Troupes de Marines and Fusiliers Marins the former being colonial forces and the latter being sailors incorporated as ground forces (mainly for guarding port or boarding duty). Edited the Post accordingly thanks Souroy on this one
 
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Ouistreham in The Longest Day is actually filmed in Port-en-Bessin, which was also captured by Commandos, albeit British from the 47 Commando, 4th SSB ;)
 
Sure: in the Division Français Libre, they were AA gunners then the division's scouts ; in the 2e Division Blindée, they were the AT gunners ; in the Commando Brigade, they were ... commandos.

Yep, they were basically everywhere.
Even now, they represent around 5% of the French Army, but 30% of its losses.

And still you didn't answer. Do I have to assume you won't because they are implemented 1) through a game mechanics not yet explained or 2) as part of one of the division of the game not yet announced ? :)
 
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Yep, they were basically everywhere.
Even now, they represent around 5% of the French Army, but 30% of its losses.

And still you didn't answer. Do I have to assume you won't because they are implemented 1) through a game mechanics not yet explained or 2) as part of one of the division of the game not yet announced ? :)

Maybe, you can help yourself, by looking up, to which Division Commando Kieffer was attached. And then, maybe when this Division makes it into the game you will get your Commandos. :)
 
A lil of that is as part of No. 4 Commando, they went on to support the 6th airborne division for the next what, 2 months or so? I dont think they were actually "attached" TOE though at least from what I have read thats free, since eugen seems to have a thing for TOE(at least from reading the tank thread) even though they literally fight as part of the 6th airbornes plans, that could be an issue?

Though they were as part of 1 SSB (later name change to avoid SS) part of 1 Airborne Corps operating with the 6th airborne, corps level asset support?
 
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But the guy you linked are Fusiliers Marins kind of the French equivalent for Marines (though they depend of the Army and not the Navy).

Aren't you confusing the Fusiliers Marins with the Troupes de Marine, the former being part of the navy while the latter of the army?
The Troupes de Marine during WW2 being the Troupes Coloniales of which we'll see some units in the 2e DB.
 
Aren't you confusing the Fusiliers Marins with the Troupes de Marine, the former being part of the navy while the latter of the army?
The Troupes de Marine during WW2 being the Troupes Coloniales of which we'll see some units in the 2e DB.

Yes, I did...
It doesn't help that both have the same origin...
I corrected my post accordingly thanks ;)
 
Maybe, you can help yourself, by looking up, to which Division Commando Kieffer was attached. And then, maybe when this Division makes it into the game you will get your Commandos. :)

A lil of that is as part of No. 4 Commando, they went on to support the 6th airborne division for the next what, 2 months or so? I dont think they were actually "attached" TOE though at least from what I have read thats free, since eugen seems to have a thing for TOE(at least from reading the tank thread) even though they literally fight as part of the 6th airbornes plans, that could be an issue?

Though they were as part of 1 SSB (later name change to avoid SS) part of 1 Airborne Corps operating with the 6th airborne, corps level asset support?

Yep, they were not a part of any division during D-Day. They are part of the SAS SSB, the precursors of today special forces. I guess that MadMat can't/won't say, so, wait and see ;)

EDIT: Wrong again, I mixed up everything...
 
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Yep, they were not a part of any division during D-Day. They are part of the SAS, the precursors of today special forces. I guess that MadMat can't/won't say, so, wait and see ;)
I can say that Kieffer's Commando wasn't SAS but SSB (Commando).
The French SAS were the 3rd & 4th SAS Regiment in the British Army, respectively known in France under the designations 3rd & 2nd Bataillon de Chasseurs Parachutistes (both later renamed Régiment de Chasseurs Parachutistes).

Although the French SAS didn't take part in the Normandy landing, they were actually the very first to set foot in France for Overlord, for they were dropped in the neighbouring Britanny on June 5th to tie up as many German troops there.
 
I can say that Kieffer's Commando wasn't SAS but SSB (Commando).

Okay, I was completely wrong...
Since I confused the Troupes de Marines and Fusiliers Marins I also confused the Commando parachutiste d'infanterie de Marine and the Fusiliers Marins Commando.
It does not help that they are all referred to as Commando de Marine...

Thank you a lot MadMat :)
 
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Well, I know i'm french but it would be legit to give it to British.

They were under british command.

At the beginning they were with the N°10 international commando. And before the 6th june, 2 troops (the commando Kieffer) were moved in the n°4 commando (troop 1 and 8), which was composed only by british (other troops).


So I would say the unit should be the "N°4 Commando", under british command.

For other nationalities, they should create a "N°10 Commando".


Well I don't know exaclty how the game is, but this is how I see it.
 
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