King of the Romans title, pros and cons

[Drachenfire]

Greetings,


As we all know, there is not a second Emperor title or rank available for the HRE, so instead we use "King of Germany" alongside "King of Italy" and "King of Burgandy". Well, I am thinking on adding a non-recreatable King of All Spain, or King of the Spains, to represent the Visigothic Imperial Title claimed largely by the rulers of Leon. I was thinking on doing something simular for the HRE, but use the historical "King of the Romans" title as a non recreatable and in place of the "King of Germany" title.

What could be the pros and cons of this, does anyone have any ideas?

 

[Calgacus]

Con:
1) Can't be tied to territory, like the King of Germany title. Within 50 years this title, along with dozens of other titles, will be held by a lordless count in the middle of Persia. At least in the early CK period, the "King of Italy" title is regarded as the same thing as the imperial title. At least by Italian sources. Later (and in some source early) it is the equivalent of the German title. But this is not the imperial title, which would be emperor.
2) Makes no sense to use such officialese for this title, but the artificial "emperor of Byzantium" for the real emperor.

Pro: Don't really see any. King of Germany is fine, and accurate.

 

[Drachenfire]

Con:
1) Can't be tied to territory, like the King of Germany title. Within 50 years this title, along with dozens of other titles, will be held by a lordless count in the middle of Persia. At least in the early CK period, the "King of Italy" title is regarded as the same thing as the imperial title. At least by Italian sources. Later (and in some source early) it is the equivalent of the German title. But this is not the imperial title, which would be emperor.
2) Makes no sense to use such officialese for this title, but the artificial "emperor of Byzantium" for the real emperor.

Pro: Don't really see any. King of Germany is fine, and accurate.

*nod* I see your point. I would hate for a mere count to get the "King of the Romans" title yet not have anyone pledge to him because the title doesnt have any territorial integrity.

*still ponders*

Maybe it could be tested for a bit, for maybe 100 years to see what happens. I wonder, is it possible to script an event so that the titleholder would adopt elective law? hummmm

 

[Calgacus]

Is this really a big priority? You can just rename the Germany [or Italy] kingdom "Romans".

 

[Drachenfire]

Is this really a big priority? You can just rename the Germany [or Italy] kingdom "Romans".

A priority? Not really. King of (All) Spain (havent decided on which formate I like best. Both were used) will be though. But I am thinking it would be both more fun and in a way, and with historical foundation as the Kings of Germany did use the title in the 11th century.

 

[Calgacus]

A priority? Not really. King of (All) Spain (havent decided on which formate I like best. Both were used) will be though. But I am thinking it would be both more fun and in a way, and with historical foundation as the Kings of Germany did use the title in the 11th century.

I get the wish for a Spain title. Once I used hard-coded kingdom tags on duchy tier for Castile, Aragon, Leon, Portugal, and so on, freeing the third level for the Spain tag ... but it got removed with an update. I've done the same thing though for Kiev and Vladimir-Suzdal, which are both inaccurately leveled at duchy in the game.

I wouldn't be too bothered by the "Kings of Germany did use the title in the 11th century" argument. "King of Germany" is a contemporary title ... they're called that everywhere except in their own titles. By contrast, no-one .. not the "Byzantines" themselves, not the emperors, not foreigners, called anyone "Emperor of Byzantium" in the Middle Ages.

 

[Drachenfire]

I get the wish for a Spain title. Once I used hard-coded kingdom tags on duchy tier for Castile, Aragon, Leon, Portugal, and so on, freeing the third level for the Spain tag ... but it got removed with an update. I've done the same thing though for Kiev and Vladimir-Suzdal, which are both inaccurately leveled at duchy in the game.

I wouldn't be too bothered by the "Kings of Germany did use the title in the 11th century" argument. "King of Germany" is a contemporary title ... they're called that everywhere except in their own titles. By contrast, no-one .. not the "Byzantines" themselves, not the emperors, not foreigners, called anyone "Emperor of Byzantium" in the Middle Ages.

Good point, especially in light of "Emperor of Byzantium".

Well then. Maybe King of the Romans is on the back burner.

Hopefully I'll get an event together for the King of Spain title, along with the granting of the Emperor trait for them. The only thing is, that it will only be available for Alfonso VI of Leon in 1066, and I'd be giving it to him before he actually used it himself. This in order for the title to be in game.

Later, the proposed scripted event would have the ruler who has Leon and two other Iberian kingship titles aquire the Emperor trait to represent "Emperor of Spain" title.

 

[Drachenfire]

I get the wish for a Spain title. Once I used hard-coded kingdom tags on duchy tier for Castile, Aragon, Leon, Portugal, and so on, freeing the third level for the Spain tag ... but it got removed with an update. I've done the same thing though for Kiev and Vladimir-Suzdal, which are both inaccurately leveled at duchy in the game.
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I really do wish there were more tiers available, and the ability for one king to mediatize another as a diplomacy/peace option.

*fustration!*