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Tufto

Tufto

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I expect the answers to these questions will probably be no, but I just wish to check:

1) Can you proclaim yourself King of Spain?
2) Can you proclaim yourself King of Britain?
3) Can you proclaim yourself King of Scandiniavia?
 
Tufto said:
I expect the answers to these questions will probably be no, but I just wish to check:

1) Can you proclaim yourself King of Spain?
2) Can you proclaim yourself King of Britain?
3) Can you proclaim yourself King of Scandiniavia?
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On all 3 questions no.

You can of course mod them in, but a province can only belong to one kingdom so in Spains case you would have to remove the kingdoms of Castille, Leon, Navarra and Aragon.
 
... if you want those king titles in the game, but don't want to mess up which provinces belong to which kingdoms, you can try making some non-creatable titles (Jordarkelf explains to me how to do this here: http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?t=460963) and then edit the save, and replacing your current primary title with your new one.

Then you can be King of Spain, Leon, Navarra, Castile, Aragon (and Portugal and Andalusia?) with only a few minor changes, that won't disrupt your next game.

Only drawback is that you can only get the new title(s) by editing your save-game.

Just remember before editing ANYTHING, make a copy of the files you want to mess with :)
 
On the note of this guy's question, I haven't looked over the various titles available much, but is it possible to become the King in Prussia? (yay for fancy wordplay by Prussian Kings). . . I'm expecting likely not due to Prussia not really popping up as an actual entity until the 15th century. . .
 
Asmodeous said:
On the note of this guy's question, I haven't looked over the various titles available much, but is it possible to become the King in Prussia? (yay for fancy wordplay by Prussian Kings). . . I'm expecting likely not due to Prussia not really popping up as an actual entity until the 15th century. . .
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No, there's only the Duchy of Prussia as part of Polish kingdom.
 
I think there's a mod that creates some titles along these lines (ie king of Spain) but issues them by event and as character traits similar to the existing emperor trait. Does anyone have any idea what I'm talking about? Or am I ranting into the aether again?

[edit] Sorry, just to clarify; the benefit of this is that the titles should appear for your characters automatically (more or less, there's still the problem of the MTTH going screwey) rather than you having to manually give each of your successors the title.
 
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wobbit said:
I think there's a mod that creates some titles along these lines (ie king of Spain) but issues them by event and as character traits similar to the existing emperor trait. Does anyone have any idea what I'm talking about? Or am I ranting into the aether again?

[edit] Sorry, just to clarify; the benefit of this is that the titles should appear for your characters automatically (more or less, there's still the problem of the MTTH going screwey) rather than you having to manually give each of your successors the title.
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Unless someone changes a user undefined trait to create a king of Spain title then the only near possibility would be to get an emporer trait by holding five kingship titles; or holding Germany, Italy, and ... Burgandy? I forget the last title as I never play there.

But who is to say, for example in some alternative time line, that a Prussian Duke would not become a King? Thats easy enough to mode in if you wish to do that. Likewise, you could simply become King of Poland.

One could make a one-province "Kingdom of Spain" based on holding the ancient Visigothic capital of Toledo. Toledo was one of two "Imperial Cities" of the Visigothic Kingdom, the other was Leon. In this way, you could still be King of Spain, King of Leon, Castille, Navarra, Aragon, ect ect ect. and thus gain an emporer trait.
 
More to the point, during that time frameThe title was not King of Spain, but Emperor of Spain.

The title was assumed by the House of Burgundy (from the County of Burgundy, not the Duchy) and was hold by Sancho 7 for the last time.

King of Spain technically is not existing, it is King of SpainS and because of it their is still a legal discussion as Portugal (created by another member of the house of burgundy) is independant (the legal discussion mean a petition to the Holy See ... for what it is worth or worst LOL).
 
ericB said:
More to the point, during that time frameThe title was not King of Spain, but Emperor of Spain.

The title was assumed by the House of Burgundy (from the County of Burgundy, not the Duchy) and was hold by Sancho 7 for the last time.

King of Spain technically is not existing, it is King of SpainS and because of it their is still a legal discussion as Portugal (created by another member of the house of burgundy) is independant (the legal discussion mean a petition to the Holy See ... for what it is worth or worst LOL).
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I had proposed using 'king' instead of 'emporer' because we do not actually have an emperor teir to represent the title. When moding this in, it would be easy to have the title read as King "of the Spains".
  • Sancho I of Pamplona used Sanzio Garseanis optime imperator
  • Ordoño II of León used the title Ordonii imperatoris
  • Alfonso V and Bermudo III were referred to as imperatores.
  • Sancho III of Navarre used the title rex Hispaniarum (King of the Spains) after his conquest of the ancient Visigothic imperial seat of Leon, " style which implied his lordship over all the Iberian domains."
  • Ferdinand I of León used the title Emperor of Spain
  • Alfonso VI also used the imperial title
  • Urraca used the title Ispanie regina, Queen of the Spains,
  • Alfonso VII of León used Emperor


I am pondering adding the county of Toledo in my games as a one provance (or two if I take Leon too) kingship title "of the Spains" so that prehaps someone could indeed create this title. The only issue of corse is that it would not be the first title of the character. hummm....
 
That's not quite the only issue... if you do this any count who happens to conquer Toledo will style himself "King of the Spains" with possibly only that county and his own starting county.
 
I still think the best way is to make non-creatable titles, and then add them in the save game file as needed.

It is fairly easy, and doesn't mess up which provinces belongs to which titles for your next game. Just edit in the titles needed whenever you want.

This works very well for me in my Kingdom of Wendia game.
 
TempestDK said:
I still think the best way is to make non-creatable titles, and then add them in the save game file as needed.

It is fairly easy, and doesn't mess up which provinces belongs to which titles for your next game. Just edit in the titles needed whenever you want.

This works very well for me in my Kingdom of Wendia game.
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I think you are right, I am going to ask Jord if he has a non recreatable kingdom tag available for possibly creating a King of the Spains, or King of All Spain, kinda title. in the 1066 scenario I would give it to Alfonso IV of Leon, though technically that would be a little earlier then he started using the imperial title. Maybe Veld too will add it?
 
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