Kingsguard for each Westerosi Kingdom

[Tapscott]

My question is in the title. I recall reading that a planned feature for a future AGoT update was a Kingsguard for each Westerosi Kingdom, however I am by nature an impatient man, and wanna know if it is expected in the next update, or whether it is still someways in the future.

If it is still a rather distant concept, how would I go about modding in my own Kingsguard for each Kingdom of Westeros? One of the things I enjoy most about the mod is the Kingsguard, and when I find nothing else is really going on in my games, I tend to play with them a lot.

 

[Pilatian]

I would assume that it is distant, since AWOIAF just came out and they are implementing all the lore and history first.

 

[blackninja9939]

Basically whenever any of us want to take a look at the painful and depressing kingsguard file and then replicate it 7 times whilst also going through every event and chaning any reference to d_kingsguard b_white_sword_tower the trait kingsguard as well as any reference to e_iron_throne as well having to modify any character or global flags to be new ones that are unique... sounds like a simple job am I right?

That my friend is no matter how cool it may be to add Kingguards to every Westerosi kingdom we ain't gonna do it for quite a while
Also be more patient we do this for free :'(

 

[D Toccs]

My question is in the title. I recall reading that a planned feature for a future AGoT update was a Kingsguard for each Westerosi Kingdom, however I am by nature an impatient man, and wanna know if it is expected in the next update, or whether it is still someways in the future.

It has never been a plan to implement that. What you remember reading is the many many times people have asked about this not realizing the quagmire of maintainence events that are involved in the kingsguard. The ability to nominate bodyguards was the compromise, they are functionally identical to kingsguard in terms of protecting you in battle.

If it is still a rather distant concept, how would I go about modding in my own Kingsguard for each Kingdom of Westeros? One of the things I enjoy most about the mod is the Kingsguard, and when I find nothing else is really going on in my games, I tend to play with them a lot.

First you would have to set up the title history for your kinsguard. Then you would have to go through the kingsguard event file and adapt each and every one of those events to fire for your desired kingsguard title and your desired kingdom. Then you would have to search through and find anything that references any of the kingsguard events in other files and if necessary adapt those events for your kingsguard/kingdom. You would also have to add a new trait for your kingsgaurd so that your guys don't show up in the White Book and you would have to adapt all the White Book tooltip stuff to add a new book for each different set of kingsguards.

 

[Tapscott]

Sounds fairly beyond my basic modding skills.

I may try messing around with it bit by bit, but I figure this may take a very long time. Let's see if I can figure this out before the world ends!

 

[das]

Luckily you already have bodyguards, though I know it's not the same aside from the basic functionality of protecting the ruler in personal combat. I'm not sure how much sense a Kingsguard makes for other kingdoms anyway, though; pretenders would be a different story, as they actually do have kingsguards in the fiction, but it seems quite antithetical to, say, the martial mores of the North or the Iron Isles. May make more sense for more conventional Faith of the Seven kingdoms I suppose.

 

[Tapscott]

Luckily you already have bodyguards, though I know it's not the same aside from the basic functionality of protecting the ruler in personal combat. I'm not sure how much sense a Kingsguard makes for other kingdoms anyway, though; pretenders would be a different story, as they actually do have kingsguards in the fiction, but it seems quite antithetical to, say, the martial mores of the North or the Iron Isles. May make more sense for more conventional Faith of the Seven kingdoms I suppose.

I wasn't going to worry about the Ironborn or the Northmen, so yeah, more of a Faith of the Seven kind of thing.

 

[Rakdar]

If you ever make a Kingsguard for the North, may I recommend a different set-up? Namely they would be "Lords Companion" or simply "Companion", and there would be 12 of them. The reason for this is that the lore behind the Iron Throne's Kingsguard isn't consistent with the Northern culture and religion. Instead, the twelve Lords Companion would mimic the twelve companions that are said to have escorted the Last Hero to the Children of the Forest, back during the Long Night, the tale which Old Nan tells Bran in AGOT iirc. The Lord of Wintefell would hereby be the Last Hero reborn, which is awesome PR, and it fits perfectly with the lore and adds more flavour to the Kings in the North.

 

[tohon]

If you ever make a Kingsguard for the North, may I recommend a different set-up? Namely they would be "Lords Companion" or simply "Companion", and there would be 12 of them. The reason for this is that the lore behind the Iron Throne's Kingsguard isn't consistent with the Northern culture and religion. Instead, the twelve Lords Companion would mimic the twelve companions that are said to have escorted the Last Hero to the Children of the Forest, back during the Long Night, the tale which Old Nan tells Bran in AGOT iirc. The Lord of Wintefell would hereby be the Last Hero reborn, which is awesome PR, and it fits perfectly with the lore and adds more flavour to the Kings in the North.

I was originally gonna suggest in being called the Wolfsguard, but i like this better.

 

[Orinsul]

You don't need the Seven for a post-Iron-Throne break up thing. Once the idea of a king having an order of knights to protect him is an established, expected thing for kings then you can just have it for being a king.

12 is a bit of a higher number than you'd maybe want.

 

[P5166661]

12 can be done just like 7 can; It's really a matter of someone doing it properly. And mods, forgive me if I'm putting words in your mouths, but am I wrong in thinking that you'd be amenable to someone doing the legwork for you while you focus on other things and presenting it to you for inspection upon completion?

 

[Orinsul]

Any number can be done, the question is should it be not is it possible.

 

[Rakdar]

The concept of the Lords Companion hangs on it being 12, though. Otherwise just call it the Wolfguard/Dawnguard/Winterguard and give it 7 members.

 

[P5166661]

All the extra members really give you is more protection for family members anyway, since you can only fight one bodyguard per battle.

 

[D Toccs]

The reason for this is that the lore behind the Iron Throne's Kingsguard isn't consistent with the Northern culture and religion. Instead, the twelve Lords Companion would mimic the twelve companions that are said to have escorted the Last Hero to the Children of the Forest, back during the Long Night, the tale which Old Nan tells Bran in AGOT iirc. The Lord of Wintefell would hereby be the Last Hero reborn, which is awesome PR, and it fits perfectly with the lore and adds more flavour to the Kings in the North.

That's not actually how the story went. It wasn't "The Last Hero and his 12 companions" that set out, it was "Thirteen Heroes" of which only one of them survived.

 

[Rakdar]

That's not actually how the story went. It wasn't "The Last Hero and his 12 companions" that set out, it was "Thirteen Heroes" of which only one of them survived.

Not really, Old Nan specifically says the Last Hero and his dozen companions. Here's the quote:

So as cold and death filled the earth, the last hero determined to seek out the children, in the hopes that their ancient magics could win back what the armies of men had lost. He set out into the dead lands with a sword, a horse, a dog and a dozen companions. For years he searched until he despaired of ever finding the children of the forest in their secret cities. One by one his friends died, and his horse, and finally even his dog, and his sword froze so hard the blade snapped when he tried to use it. And the Others smelled the hot blood in him and came silent on his trail, stalking him with packs of pale white spiders big as hounds

 

[D Toccs]

Not really, Old Nan specifically says the Last Hero and his dozen companions. Here's the quote:

He's known specifically as "the LAST Hero", there is nothing at all to set him apart from or above the other 12 except for fact that he was the LAST one left alive. If instead of Thirteen Heroes, it had been Mr. LH and his 12 companions, we could realistically expect that, as the leader of the expedition his name would be remembered.

 

[Orinsul]

All the extra members really give you is more protection for family members anyway, since you can only fight one bodyguard per battle.

Also more management and more empty chairs to fill. With only the one Kingdom to find good candidates from.
The concept of calling them companions hangs on the localisation being companions, you could go with any number for gameplay reasons and the concept would still hold up.

 

[Rakdar]

He's known specifically as "the LAST Hero", there is nothing at all to set him apart from or above the other 12 except for fact that he was the LAST one left alive. If instead of Thirteen Heroes, it had been Mr. LH and his 12 companions, we could realistically expect that, as the leader of the expedition his name would be remembered.

I understand what you mean, but I don't get your point. Why would the dozen Companions being heroes discredit a Northern Kingsguard based on them? Besides, I don't think the last from LH is in reference to this, it is all merely speculation. Old Nan speaks of the last hero and his dozen companions and that is how the story is remembered and told in the North.