Levies x Legions

[Austregisel]

What would be better to do? remain like this? I can raise a huge number of levies with the 'military service' law and without being able to make a legion.

With the royal guards law, the number of levies drops a lot, and the capital legion would replace the capital region levies, further decreasing the capital levies.

My army decreased by 58%, and I would still have to pay more to maintain a legion.

 

[Synen]

I would stick to levies since you only have 3.95 income a month while already having lowered your army/naval maintenance. You simply don't have the income to spare for a legion. I suggest that you focus on your economy and unlock/build foundries in cities for the +1 trade goods.

 

[Austregisel]

I would stick to levies since you only have 3.95 income a month while already having lowered your army/naval maintenance. You simply don't have the income to spare for a legion. I suggest that you focus on your economy and unlock/build foundries in cities for the +1 trade goods.

I know almost nothing about the build system, tnx, I'll try to build some foundries. The issue of little income is since the beginning of the game, since day 1 I deleted the legion and I only have levies since then, but I thought it would be a good time to change to a legion.

 

[Synen]

I know almost nothing about the build system, tnx, I'll try to build some foundries. The issue of little income is since the beginning of the game, since day 1 I deleted the legion and I only have levies since then, but I thought it would be a good time to change to a legion.

Honestly you did the hardest part of the early game as Epirus already by defeating Macedon. The next hardest part will be fighting off Rome. Sooner or later they will come for you.

Judging from the spearmen in the screenshots you're playing with Invictus. You'll find the Centralized Production invention that unlocks foundries in the martial tab of the tech tree.

 

[SAS]

If you can afford it go Legion and tailor them to your fighting stance, if not keep what you got, other than the mass light cavalry they are not that bad, my two cents.

 

[IsaacCAT]

@Synen is right, you cannot support a legion, but as soon as you can improve your economy, switch to legions.

No matter the decrease on levy size multiplier, the bonus on legions distinctions, defense (by drilling) and being able to chose your best units are too good to pass.

If you find yourself overrun with far bigger armies, chose terrains with smaller combat width to avoid being flanked.

Finally, quantity of levies is function of levy size multiplier x integrated POPs above slaves. Integrate other cultures with POPs. Can you post your culture tab with the most numerous cultures?

 

[Austregisel]

@Synen is right, you cannot support a legion, but as soon as you can improve your economy, switch to legions.

No matter the decrease on levy size multiplier, the bonus on legions distinctions, defense (by drilling) and being able to chose your best units are too good to pass.

If you find yourself overrun with far bigger armies, chose terrains with smaller combat width to avoid being flanked.

Finally, quantity of levies is function of levy size multiplier x integrated POPs above slaves. Integrate other cultures with POPs. Can you post your culture tab with the most numerous cultures?

 

[HistoryDude]

Yeah, switch to legions as soon as you can. They're much better than levies, but the main problems with them are a) money and b) you need a specific law (that requires specific traditions) to have multiple. It is possible to have both, though - converting everything to legions ASAP could easily backfire. I like having a bit of each (but more legions).

 

[IsaacCAT]

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You are good with cultures integration and their happiness. You have 66% of the pops integrated and the only way to improve fast would be to reduce your ratio of slaves by having more cities or increase your levy size multiplier.

Else, you will have to wait for the non integrated cultures to assimilate to Epirote or expand in the lands where there are Macedonian POPs already (or any other integrated culture).

 

[Austregisel]

You are good with cultures integration and their happiness. You have 66% of the pops integrated and the only way to improve fast would be to reduce your ratio of slaves by having more cities or increase your levy size multiplier.

Else, you will have to wait for the non integrated cultures to assimilate to Epirote or expand in the lands where there are Macedonian POPs already (or any other integrated culture).

There is a scenario where settlement is better than make the province a city? I founded only one city to this point because of a mission.

 

[IsaacCAT]

There is a scenario where settlement is better than make the province a city? I founded only one city to this point because of a mission.

If you are a tribe, you may want to have settlements for the increased tribesmen ratio.

In all other cases, you only want to have a settlement if the territory has a food trade good that you need (becoming a city will lose you that trade good).

In Invictus they have gone against the will of the Gods and attributed farms and mines +1 trade good, this is a travesty that may want you to keep a territory settlement for the cheap surplus of trade goods. In the true spirit of vanilla, only slaves honest workforce can produce trade goods and buildings reduce the number of slaves needed for surplus. Except for cities and metropolis that will grant you +1 +2 respectively. The more reasons to become city.

Trade goods - Imperator Wiki

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[Austregisel]

Yeah, switch to legions as soon as you can. They're much better than levies, but the main problems with them are a) money and b) you need a specific law (that requires specific traditions) to have multiple. It is possible to have both, though - converting everything to legions ASAP could easily backfire. I like having a bit of each (but more legions).

I cant maintain a 10k legion with army, navy and fort mainenance to minimum.

 

[HistoryDude]

I cant maintain a 10k legion with army, navy and fort mainenance to minimum.

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In vanilla, you train legions per regiment. You can thus have legions of any size. I'm not quite sure how it works in Invictus, though.

Also, raising taxes might get you more wealth, and negotiating trade deals definitely will.

 

[Austregisel]

In vanilla, you train legions per regiment. You can thus have legions of any size. I'm not quite sure how it works in Invictus, though.

Also, raising taxes might get you more wealth, and negotiating trade deals definitely will.

I deleted a lot of forts, all but one in greece, i dont know why i need forts in greece, safest region of the nation

 

[IsaacCAT]

Switch to export economy (+20% export value) you can increase your capital trade routes by increasing your nobles in the province (cities, roads, marketplaces, etc…)

Also, you need at least normal maintenance for the army so you can drill your legion. No drill, no gain.

 

[Synen]

Switch to export economy (+20% export value) you can increase your capital trade routes by increasing your nobles in the province (cities, roads, marketplaces, etc…)

Also, you need at least normal maintenance for the army so you can drill your legion. No drill, no gain.

To add to this, using your trade routes to have 2x Wine and 2x Salt in your capital should reduce your legion maintenance by 10%. Having 2x Stone in your capital reduces building costs by 5%. Over time it will save a lot of money.

Also turn on "accept all trades" in the trade overview tab so that every trade good will get traded away for income if you haven't done so already. I would suggest to keep "block surplus" on though since you'll want the trade good surplusses for the bonuses they give.

As for forts, I mainly build them in the provincial capitals to prevent an easy capture of the whole province.

 

[Grandpa Maur]

Yeah, forts are typical income trap in the sense people don't check why they cost so much. It's actually easy to keep it lowish if you don't go over the limit.

As for surplus, you need to make sure your capital has large enough trade potential either because of population or multiple trade provincial improvements done with PI.

I would also deintegratw thessalian and aetolian especially if you have theaters invention/buildings. Happiness increases output, and 100 pops integrate fast.