Lotharingia

[bowl of soup]

I'm planning on creating a small fantasy mod for mymap-agceep. The idea of this mod is to remake the kingdom of Lotharingia. First off i havent done any modding for EU2 yet so this will be my trial. The idea is that ill be making this mod by myself. However as this will be my first mod there be alot of time in figuring out how do stuff in the first place so i think i will need some help from time to time. There is of coarse the risk of the mod not working out and stuff but we'll see. The ive done by now is minimal. like i said ive just started off.

Now for the idea. This came when playing burgundy with the mymap-agceep mod. Early on there is this event, when burgundy has all the low-lands (netherlands) under control, where Charles asks Austria for the vacant crown of Lotharingia. Austria denies this and nothing happens. So i was playing with the idea of what if... what if Austria grants Charles the Crown? Maybe the dutch wouldn't revolt. Maybe, maybe....?

As i said this will be a mod by me. so any decisions will be made by me, however any ideas/comments and such are very welcome, and when i use any of these ideas you will be credited for your contribution! but thats it for now, wish me luck

 

[bowl of soup]

There are a few things i'd like to know your opinion about. in the game lotharingia already exists in the duchy of lorraine. So i'd know what you think would be the impact of an emerging kingdom or lotharingia? and a few other things:

- What should the shield of lotharingia look like? like that of lorraine or like the old kingdom
- i cant find the shield of the old kingdom, perhaps its like the one of lorraine?
- What about a combination of lorraine's and burgundy's shields?
- why would austria grant burgundy the crown of lotharingia?
- What core provinces should Lotharingia have?
- Any idea's for new events?

Thats it for now. Any tips/suggestions/ideas/help would be very much appreciated, and credited when done

 

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- What should the shield of lotharingia look like? like that of lorraine or like the old kingdom
- i cant find the shield of the old kingdom, perhaps its like the one of lorraine?
- What about a combination of lorraine's and burgundy's shields?

As far as I am aware, the old Kingdom's coat of arms is the same as the later Duchy of Lorraine's.

If you combined the arms of the two, you'd proably want to take the arms of the original Kingdom of Burgundy and quarter it with the Lorraine arms. I'm not sure what the original arms were (nor, for that matter, certain if they exist), but the oldest arms I'm aware of are those of burgundy ancient, the second and third quarters on Burgundy's arms:

So, replace the first and fourth quarters with Lorraine's arms.

- why would austria grant burgundy the crown of lotharingia?

Historically, the Emperor was going to grant Charles the Bold the crown because Charles' daughter Mary was about to marry the Emperor's son, which would have meant that the title would become a hereditary title of the Habsburgs instead of one held Electively. However, the Emperor chickened out at the last minute.

The only other way the Title would be granted to Burgundy is at point of sword, with Burgundy defeating France, Austria, and the German Electors in one or more wars.

- What core provinces should Lotharingia have?

Here's my MyMAP event for adding core provinces if Burgundy gets the crown:

event = {
	id = 28006
	random = no
	country = BUR
	name = "EVENTNAME28006"
	desc = "EVENTHIST28006"
	style = 1

	action_a ={				#No#
		name = "ACTIONNAME28006A"
		command = { type = domestic which = CENTRALIZATION value = 3 }
		command = { type = addcore which  = 335 } #Oldenburg#
		command = { type = addcore which  = 337 } #Fryslan#
		command = { type = addcore which  = 1401 } #Overijssel#
		command = { type = addcore which  = 338 } #Gelderland#
		command = { type = addcore which  = 1381 } #Utrecht#
		command = { type = addcore which  = 339 } #Holland#
		command = { type = addcore which  = 340 } #Zeeland#
		command = { type = addcore which  = 837 } #Staat-Brabant#
		command = { type = addcore which  = 1471 } #Antwerpen#
		command = { type = addcore which  = 378 } #Brabant#
		command = { type = addcore which  = 1478 } #Hainaut#
		command = { type = addcore which  = 1387 } #Cambrai#
		command = { type = addcore which  = 1930 } #Liege#
		command = { type = addcore which  = 1383 } #Obergeldern#
		command = { type = addcore which  = 344 } #Koln#
		command = { type = addcore which  = 343 } #Cleve#
		command = { type = addcore which  = 925 } #Berg#
		command = { type = addcore which  = 923 } #Trier#
		command = { type = addcore which  = 920 } #Julich#
		command = { type = addcore which  = 377 } #Luxemburg#
		command = { type = addcore which  = 423 } #Metz#
		command = { type = addcore which  = 976 } #Barrois#
		command = { type = addcore which  = 375 } #Lorraine#
		command = { type = addcore which  = 918 } #Sundgau#
		command = { type = addcore which  = 374 } #Nordgau#
		command = { type = addcore which  = 388 } #Bern#
		command = { type = addcore which  = 917 } #Geneve#
		command = { type = addcore which  = 387 } #Franche Comte#
		command = { type = addcore which  = 405 } #Savoy#
		command = { type = addcore which  = 1417 } #Bresse#
		command = { type = addcore which  = 408 } #Lyonnais#
		command = { type = addcore which  = 407 } #Dauphine#
		command = { type = addcore which  = 406 } #Provence#
		command = { type = addcore which  = 987 } #Nice#
		command = { type = DIP   which = 2 value = 12 } 
		command = { type = relation which = KOL value = -50 }
		command = { type = relation which = PFA value = -50 } 
		command = { type = relation which = PRO value = -50 }
		command = { type = relation which = SAV value = -50 }
		command = { type = relation which = OLD value = -50 } 
		command = { type = relation which = MUN value = -50 }
		command = { type = relation which = KLE value = -50 } 
 		command = { type = sleepevent which = 20100 }
 		command = { type = sleepevent which = 28007 }
		command = { type = trigger   which = 20313 }
      		command = { type = trigger   which = 20314 }
		command = { type = trigger   which = 20315 }
		command = { type = trigger   which = 20316 }
 		command = { type = trigger   which = 20317 }
		command = { type = trigger   which = 20318 }
		command = { type = trigger   which = 20319 }     
		command = { type = trigger   which = 20320 }            		
		command = { type = relation  which = HAB value = -50 }   
	}
}

The event adds cores on the historical area of the Kingdoms of Lotharingia and Burgundy.

- Any idea's for new events?

There are some events on page 1 of the "AGCEEP: Burgundy" thread for the creation of a Lotharingian culture which would be useful, along with some ideas for Lotharingian event chains which were never implemented in the AGCEEP.

 

[bowl of soup]

Great! This can get me along my way.

If you combined the arms of the two, you'd proably want to take the arms of the original Kingdom of Burgundy and quarter it with the Lorraine arms. I'm not sure what the original arms were (nor, for that matter, certain if they exist), but the oldest arms I'm aware of are those of burgundy ancient, the second and third quarters on Burgundy's arms:

So, replace the first and fourth quarters with Lorraine's arms.

I cant see the picture but my gues is that it's something like this

somebody else mentioned another flag:

Someone did a Lotharingia mod for Crusader Kings where they used a lorraine cross on a plain background (I will try and find it- EDIT: soz can't find it. ).

I use this...



But I can't remember where I got it from, so couldn't validate any authenticity.

Ayeshteni

perhaps you know something about this one? maybe its just a fantasy one but it does look alright to me, but im not that great an historian.

Historically, the Emperor was going to grant Charles the Bold the crown because Charles' daughter Mary was about to marry the Emperor's son, which would have meant that the title would become a hereditary title of the Habsburgs instead of one held Electively. However, the Emperor chickened out at the last minute.

The only other way the Title would be granted to Burgundy is at point of sword, with Burgundy defeating France, Austria, and the German Electors in one or more wars.

That would almost mean there alone in this one. Certainly when this will all go down in one war, perhaps england is willing to help? Is it to their advantage to get involved in something like this? It sounds to me there is going to be one epic war. But maybe there's more to it. Ill let my mind run on this one.

 

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Great! This can get me along my way.



I cant see the picture but my gues is that it's something like this

Yeah, it's pretty much the same thing. just replace the red/white bordered quarters with lorraine's arms.

somebody else mentioned another flag:

perhaps you know something about this one? maybe its just a fantasy one but it does look alright to me, but im not that great an historian.

I have no idea either.

That would almost mean there alone in this one. Certainly when this will all go down in one war, perhaps england is willing to help? Is it to their advantage to get involved in something like this? It sounds to me there is going to be one epic war. But maybe there's more to it. Ill let my mind run on this one.

England is liable to help if they've lost the HYW, or maybe if they've allowed Burgundy to seperate itself from France, but it shouldn't be a surefire thing, especially since they stand to gain their potential claims on Holland and Artois if Burgundy loses such a war.

 

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And what about Lorraine? They MUST have the ability else to re - create this whole kingdom.

 

[ConjurerDragon]

And what about Lorraine? They MUST have the ability else to re - create this whole kingdom.

That would be pure fantasy. Lorraine was historically never in the position to recreate Lotharingia. Even the much larger Burgundy tried and failed in a far less
difficult task. Burgundy only wanted a kingdom of it´s own, not even the whole ancient Lotharingia.

However in AGCEEP lorrain has an other interesting option: They can become Provence and lead the Anjou family to the thrones of Lorrain, Anjou, Provence and Naples...