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AirikrStrife · 2019-05-16T21:33:35+00:00

recently did we see a new culture map on northern germany showing new low saxon and frisian culture. I was happy with the new culture, but not necessarily with it's implementations. I did some digging now into the extent of middle low german, not the easiest topics, wikipedia still uses a study from 1914 as it's main source for dialects of middle low german: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_Low_German#Dialects A more recent study gives a similar but distinct idea of low german dialects in use in writing Northern: from frisia to russia, including dialects of oldenburg, holstein, pommern, northern brandenburg and the baltics Westphalian Eastphalian Brandenburgian: Includes east anhaltish http://walkden.space/Breitbarth_Walkden_Watts_2011_CHLG.pdf It gives westphalian, northern, eastphalian and Hansa language (based in lübeck) [note that modern division of west and east does not exist yet] What can be noted is how low german already before Luther was in decline in contact areas around southern modern Sachsen-Anhalt, and after reformation would be in even stronger decline. Culture is not only dialect though, and I looked into some other stuff such as political trends. I would love an eastphalian culture but since I think it's extremely unlikely to happen, I will not waste breath. The only new culture I'm gonna suggest is Brandenburgian First though let's make some minutia about the culture borders of current cultures: I think Lübeck should have Pomeranian, dialectwise Lübeck spoke an eastelbe dialect which extended east across mecklenburg and pomerania, Lübeck german would also be used particularly in pomeranian cities like Stralsund. I would like to see Magdeburg, Halle and possibly Goslar with Low saxon culture. The dialect were still prominant in the cities and the area was within the lower saxon circle. Furthermore to me the (upper) saxon culture is strongly tied to the Electorate of Sachsen (a point I will make again later) Oldenburg was part of the westphalian circle, it's dialect would be a bit of a misch with many different influences but giving the strong ties Oldenburg would have to Denmark and Holstein I think Low saxon makes sense here. The main piece of this thread though is the culture of one of our favourite countries, Brandenburg. And that's already part of my main argument. While Brandenburg did speak various low german dialects, Berlin would already be switching to a middle german vernacular in the 16th century, the brandenburgian margraves probably never spoke proper low german (coming from schwaben originally). But giving Brandenburg it's own culture has strong benefits, it will guarantee that Brandenburgian as a tag won't vanish, that lost brandenburgian provinces seek to reunite with Brandenburg and not the von Wettins in Sachsen. The Brandenburg state would develop it's own culture and identity, not based on the dialect but because of the emergence of the great power it became. Alternatively, I could see Brandenburg actually starting with Prussian culture. Provinces with Brandenburgian culture would be all territory ruled by Brandenburg + Neumark (except possibly uckermark, doesn't matter much). It could also be used in Anhalt, why, well dialect was close and seems just aswell as saxon, while being a particular nood to the duchy which would give us one of our foremost loading screen images, ofc Sophie of Anhalt-Zerbst, better known as Catherine the Great. Some thoughts on quit an underresearch topic. edit: accidently did in the wrong forum (how move to suggestion forum?

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Caligula Caesar

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May 17, 2019

Whilst there is an argument for adding "Markish" for Brandenburg, this would be a nerf for Brandenburg as they would have no own culture provinces to expand to. I'm not so sure that this would be a good thing.

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