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I've only played one game of CORE so far ... as the UK, on Normal/Agressive. I seem to recall that the UK had many, many more light cruisers in real life than what seem to be in CORE. Does CORE currently reflect historical fleet makeups (for 1936) or am I just seeing something from vanilla HoI2?
 
If by "Heavy Cruisers" you mean 8" gun armed cruisers, then no, the UK didnt build any in the war. However, ships like HMS Belfast (12 x 6" guns) are Heavy Cruisers in terms of displacement and protection - just not armament. Heavy cruisers and indeed, large gun warships in general, are kinda of on the way out by the time of WW2 - the age of the plane is arriving.

Wartime construction is obviously down to you as the player to build, though I would imagine the OOB is probably fairly accurate (Just checked - I find 26 or 27 light cruisers in the starting OOB/construction queue, and 13 Heavy Cruisers simialrly placed - I know Australia has at least 1 Heavy cruiser, and both Aus & New Zealand have light cruisers). So I am not quite sure why you think they have anything missing ?

Tim
 
I'm not against the OOB, I like the way that some older ships are in for 'refit' at 0.1IC. The thing I find annoying is the build times combined with lack of IC. Build times for ships dont get substantially shorter till mid '40 unless you tech rush industry. UK is so short of IC that building BBs will have to be done in serial which means the 5th KGV BB wont be finished till ~'46 unless you interupt the serial run when new techs are researched. Even so trying to build anything in the first 2/3 years of the game is a struggle even when trading resources for supplies. IRL the first KGV was laid down in '37 and the last was commissioned '42. This is impossible in game. It could be done in time if the ICs were available, if not as I said your looking at a post war delivery for the last one.
 
Well, to me it's now obvious that I erred in thinking the OOB was wrong. I believe I was thinking the RN had about 70 cruisers--then I realized that I probably recalled that figure as something Adm. Jellicoe post WWI as a figure he felt provided sufficient cruisers for Imperial defence.

But my question was prompted by how tight the industrial situation is in CORE/Britain. In vanilla HoI, I had no problem attaining what I felt to be a historically-sized RN (thereabouts), and often I could exceed historical levels. But it seemed to be very difficult (on Normal/Agressive) to work in a KGV-battleship and a flotilla of destroyers.

While I very much like working the UK in a very tight industrial situation (you have to do things like trade for all your supplies in order to build your ships), it seems to me that the peacetime penalty (or other penalties) might need to be reduced somewhat more rapidly. (I did build the various industrial recoveries, and yes they did help, but that peacetime penalty hurts bad).
 
Julius Oblivius said:
I've only played one game of CORE so far ... as the UK, on Normal/Agressive. I seem to recall that the UK had many, many more light cruisers in real life than what seem to be in CORE. Does CORE currently reflect historical fleet makeups (for 1936) or am I just seeing something from vanilla HoI2?
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Yes, this is the historical makeup of the British fleet in 1936.

There are some issues with the IC that we are aware of which will be fixed in the next release. MDow
 
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