Mod idea: Using heresy amongst muslim to represent Shia

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Public Betapatch: Heresy discussion

It's part of my personal wish, to ask Johan to make Heretic convert in Protestant in EU2, like the Hussite Bohemia at the beginning of the game.

Cat

I'd prefer to have shiites before that though as right now there is no way to show in stock games the animosity between sunni and shiites

 

[Cat Lord]

I'd prefer to have shiites before that though as right now there is no way to show in stock games the animosity between sunni and shiites

As said, this won't happen. Johan doesn't want it.

Cheers,

Cat

 

[Finarfin]

As said, this won't happen. Johan doesn't want it.

What does this mean? When you convert a CK game to EU2 you start out with only one flavor of Islam as opposed to the two flavors in a regular EU2 game?

 

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As said, this won't happen. Johan doesn't want it.

Cheers,

Cat

Can you ask him why if christians handle them the same way?

 

[Sute]{h]

As said, this won't happen. Johan doesn't want it.

Why? I would think converting christian heretics to protestants and sunni heretics to shia would be a very fine solution.

 

[Cat Lord]

What does this mean? When you convert a CK game to EU2 you start out with only one flavor of Islam as opposed to the two flavors in a regular EU2 game?

No conversion of Shia/Sunni islam is done on a Geographic basis.

Cat

 

[Semi-Lobster]

As said, this won't happen. Johan doesn't want it.

Cheers,

Cat

Just out of curiousity and certainly not to judge Johan's judgement why will we not see Shia? It's certainly not for the usual reasons relating to massacres/ethnic cleansing and what not so then why?

Also good luck with Protestestantism! It'll be really fun to to start up a game of EUII with a very unique (for the time being) religion!

 

[Havard]

Just out of curiousity and certainly not to judge Johan's judgement why will we not see Shia? It's certainly not for the usual reasons relating to massacres/ethnic cleansing and what not so then why?

Probably (and I'm only guessing here) because it's a lot of work to add something to an unplayable faction that doesn't affect gameplay fro the Christians much, thus mostly useless.

 

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Probably (and I'm only guessing here) because it's a lot of work to add something to an unplayable faction that doesn't affect gameplay fro the Christians much, thus mostly useless.

If he adds protestantism can you ask him again because he would already be doing work for that anyways. We really can't get historic outcomes in the region almost without them.
FE the fatimids and others help the moors which they certainly would not.

 

[Cat Lord]

Protestantism wouldn't be add in the game, just in the converter to EU2. The converter already convert muslims into sunni or shia.

It's probably far simple than to review or rebalance the whole game by splitting muslims in two.

Cat

 

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why doesn't he want to use heretics to represent shia? that certainly is easier than adding a new religion...

 

[The_Hawk]

I haven't played a lot under the latest patches, but in most of the previous ones the Muslims (with the exception of the Mongols) were pretty much pushovers once a human player got going. From a gameplay perspective, creating a Sunni/Shiite division would make them even easier. So that's one possible reason...

 

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I haven't played a lot under the latest patches, but in most of the previous ones the Muslims (with the exception of the Mongols) were pretty much pushovers once a human player got going. From a gameplay perspective, creating a Sunni/Shiite division would make them even easier. So that's one possible reason...

Not nessarily. If they become large quickly enough and have good rulers (that is key here because they can't release vassals) they could be quite tough.

 

[Cat Lord]

why doesn't he want to use heretics to represent shia? that certainly is easier than adding a new religion...

Jinnai, that's Johan decision, and he probably has very good reason for doing so.

Havard also gave you a couple of reasons, and as for using heretic for representing muslim shia, for it to work properly, it would probably need a lot of AI tweaks, or a lot of new events.

I will move part of this conversation in the mod forum. I am sure this can be done with some work over there, but I understand Johan not willing to commit his very limited time (don't forget he has more than one game on his plate) on a faction that is ultimately not playable.

Please do not use the Heresy thread again for this idea, however interesting it is

Cat

 

[Cat Lord]

Here you are

Cat

 

[Sterkarm]

Not nessarily. If they become large quickly enough and have good rulers (that is key here because they can't release vassals) they could be quite tough.

That's one thing that I really think should be changed. It makes large Muslim empires incredibly easy to conquer, as sometimes an empire stretching from the Caspian to middle North Africa can only field 15,000-20,000 men!