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We started another Monday campaign with players:

Mr Sljivovic - Italy
Col. Warden - France
Lord Ederon - Britain
Butcher - Japan
Vege - Soviet Union
Herodotus - Germany
Zajac - Nationalist Spain then USA
Foxhound - USA (but vanished during first reload)

This was the 38 scenario. Nat. Spain won the Civil War then attacked Venezuala. UK invited Venezuala to join the Allies but then made a peace treay with Spain leaving the rest of us Allies to fight on. France blitzed through Spain quite quickly and annexed it.

Meanwhile, Germany occupied Czechoslovakia and Italy annexed Yugoslavia and Albania while libaretaing Somalia and Ethiopia. Japan made a puppet of China and then declared war on the SU in revenge for Khalkin Gol. But this was said to have been a mistake and Soviet Union and Japan declared peace. They then went further and made an alliance which seemed to perturb Japan - something about a recurring pop-up. We adjourned to study the matter.

There was lots of active diplomacy as Germany invited Brazil, Argentina, Hungary and Portugal into the Axis. Iraq made an alliance with Persia , Saudi Arabia and Communist China. Poland made an allaince with the Baltic states but then joined the Allies.

It's still only April 38. More excitement next Monday ...

Andrew
 
HoI2 froze my computer when I tried to join the game after the reload, and there were some unusual complications when I rebooted. By the time I got back, you must have just resumed the game.

I'll show up next Monday to fill whatever slots are open and available.
 
We waited for some time, but your complications clearly took a while. It always remains to be seen who show up next time, so I'm quite sure you can get a major nation on a permanent basis.
 
1st Session - November 14th, 2005

NOTE: I originally posted this in the old game thread. Now I noticed Andrew opened new one. Thus I'm moving it from there.

We started new game based on '38 scenario. During the game we were:

Mr. Sljivovic - Italy (hosted most of the session)
Herodotos - Germany (hosted initial two weeks of the game)
Andrew - France
Lord Ederon - UK
Foxhound - USA (later dropped, final status was MIA)
VeGe - Soviet Union
Butcher - Japan
Zajac - Nat. Spain/USA (read further)

We played from the start of the scenario, which is 1st September 1938, till 6th June 1939. It was eventful session for all players I think. :) The game started with some technical problems, when we experienced lag and were forced to change host. After Mr. Sljivovic became host, all was ok.


World of alliances or "who is not allied is a loser"

The title doesn't exaggerate anything. In patch 1.3 it is simply a fact. Here is a breakdown what happened in the alliances during the game:

Through September to December 1938
Iraq entered a Military Alliance with Nationalist China, Xibei San Ma, Yunnan and Guangxi Clique.
Poland and Romania entered a Military Alliance with Estonia and Latvia.
Portugal, Hungary and Bulgaria entered a Military Alliance with Germany.

Through January to May 1939
Xibei San Ma and Nationalist China left the Military Alliance she had with Yunnan, Iraq and Communist China.
Persia, Saudi Arabia and Greece entered a Military Alliance with Iraq and Communist China.
Poland left the Military Alliance she had with Estonia, Latvia and Romania.
Poland and Venezuela entered a Military Alliance with United Kingdom, Australia, Bhutan, Canada, France, New Zealand, Nepal, Oman and South Africa.
Brazil entered a Military Alliance with Germany, Portugal, Hungary and Bulgaria.
Siam and Sinkiang entered a Military Alliance with Japan, Manchukuo, Mengkukuo and Nationalist China.

June 1939
Japanese alliace with Nationalist China, Manchukuo, Mengkukuo, Siam and Sinkiang merged with a Military Alliance with Soviet Union, Mongolia and Tannu Tuva.
Argentina entered a Military Alliance with Germany, Portugal, Hungary, Bulgaria and Brazil.

Final composition of major alliances
Allies - United Kingdom, Australia, Bhutan, Canada, France, New Zealand, Nepal, Oman, South Africa, Poland and Venezuela
Axis - Germany, Portugal, Hungary, Bulgaria, Brazil and Argentina
Comintern - Soviet Union, Mongolia, Tannu Tuva, Japan, Nationalist China, Manchukuo, Mengkukuo, Siam and Sinkiang

LEGEND - Allies - Axis - Comintern - Other Alliances


Major events (besides alliance madness)

Japan quite fast managed to overcome China and ended up their war there soon. China was annexed only to be released as puppet little later. Yet before the annexation of China Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Persia and Greece joined against Japanese threat. We shall see what would it mean for the future.

In Europe, Italy started their aggressive movement and annexed Albania. By the same time, Germany pressed for Suddetenland and their demands were accepted by either Allies and later Czechoslovakia herself. Spanish civil war turned out to be victorious for nationalists. Soon after Albania Yugoslavia became target of Italian expansion. In few weeks they Italy significantly expanded their European possessions.

After nationalist Spaniards defeated their republican buddies, they turend their aggressive minds towards South America. They decalred war on Venezuela and tried to surprise their army with sudden landings and fast progress. However, UK didn't just stand by as in case of Czechoslovakia and offered alliance protection to Venezuela. Offer was accepted and Spain was forced to disarm their forces and was fully occupied by French. Until situation on Iberian peninsula clears out, Spain will be under Allied (that is French) control.

In the early June aggressive Japan showed up their teeth again and declared war upon Soviet Union. However Stalin turned out to be more diplomat (or enchanter?) than anybody else and instead of fighting bloody war with Japan, he convinced Japanese to join his cause. This meant important change in ballance of power in the world. With Comintern becoming the strongest alliance.
 
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Yet forces comparisons

I was going to post more pictures (Allies/Axis/Comintern situation in Europe/Asia/America), but then I realized there are positions of Allied units on these pictures I really don't want to disclose. So, no such pictures for now, it'd need more work.

Here comes national army comparison, national naval comparison and national air force comparison of June 1939.


Finally, victory points after 1st session :)
 
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Now that I have a new schedule I will be able to make these games. Would it be too late for me to join in as a sub?

Btw, thanks Ederon for keeping everyone informed with the screenshots/saves from the last Monday night game.
 
In regards to the Alliance madness, are you using the 1.3 patch?
 
As expected the hotfix changes the checksum. So I guess it's best to restart or will the save be compatible?

Mr.G 24 said:
Now that I have a new schedule I will be able to make these games. Would it be too late for me to join in as a sub?

Btw, thanks Ederon for keeping everyone informed with the screenshots/saves from the last Monday night game.
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Yes, you can join us and get a nation of which the original owner doesn't show up or if that doesn't happen a minor. If we have to/decide to restart you can obviously join as well.

Panzer Guderian said:
In regards to the Alliance madness, are you using the 1.3 patch?
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Yes, we use 1.3. I play Germany and it seems now significantly easier to persuade countries to join the Axis. Apart from those I already got in, I have others lined up that were impossible to get in with 1.2.
 
Colonel Warden said:
What is your checksum? I have JLQC. Everyone should ensure that they get upgraded in good time.

The save should be compatible so I recommend pressing on.

Andrew
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I have the same checksum. You have the best view on these things, so if it looks as if the save is compatible then let's continue.
 
Herodotos said:
As expected the hotfix changes the checksum. So I guess it's best to restart or will the save be compatible?



Yes, you can join us and get a nation of which the original owner doesn't show up or if that doesn't happen a minor. If we have to/decide to restart you can obviously join as well.



Yes, we use 1.3. I play Germany and it seems now significantly easier to persuade countries to join the Axis. Apart from those I already got in, I have others lined up that were impossible to get in with 1.2.
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This is caused by the saved game not having the neutrality settings saved and therefore lost on reload. Countries with high neutrality can't normally join an alliance even with low isolationist settings. The way it is supposed to work is that events will lower the neutrality settings for countries like ITA and ROM at the correct time so they can join when they are supposed too. You can fix this by manually editing the saved game file to add in the neutrality settings and removing unwanted alliances. Tedious, but otherwise the alliance madness will continue and possible mess up some events. Thanks for the reply, I will log this as a problem.
 
Panzer Guderian said:
This is caused by the saved game not having the neutrality settings saved and therefore lost on reload. Countries with high neutrality can't normally join an alliance even with low isolationist settings. The way it is supposed to work is that events will lower the neutrality settings for countries like ITA and ROM at the correct time so they can join when they are supposed too. You can fix this by manually editing the saved game file to add in the neutrality settings and removing unwanted alliances. Tedious, but otherwise the alliance madness will continue and possible mess up some events. Thanks for the reply, I will log this as a problem.
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That explains something. We did have a rehost after 2 weeks, so that fits the picture. I don't think we'll go through editing every save, but thanks for the tip. We had rather unorthodox diplomatic actions by SU and Japan, so we have a different landscape than normal anyway. Besides, having stumbled into this situation, it looks like fun for once to play a game that's different, at least to me. But at the same time it's something that I hope will be fixed, because it would be nice if it's more realistic again in the future.

Now I'm on the subject anyway. It might be that the following is WAD for 1.3 and I simply haven't paid enough attention, but maybe it's useful information for you. I can still get members of one of the independent alliances in the Axis. That they are already in an alliance doesn't seem to make any difference.
 
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Lord Ederon said:
Do we have a game today? I cannot remember which Monday Andrew said he won't be able to play. This or the next one?
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He should be in the US today, but he said he would try to connect anyway, so I suggest we gather to play. Even if he doesn't manage to join us I personally think we can play despite that, because on purpose he didn't choose a critical nation and this game hasn't grown into the epic proportions of our last game yet. We can either recruit a sub or have them military controlled by you, the UK. But my opinion is not the only one and yours is of course quite important, being on the same team together with him. Just as a reminder to all players and all those interested in joining us, we should start at 19:00 GMT / 20:00 CET / 21:00 EET. I forgot, we will play on with the hotfix, so I hope everybody has it installed. Checksum is now JLQC.
 
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