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This is the first game I've played in years, and I've made it to 1293 as Ireland. It is set on very hard, and the Mongol Hordes are no where to be seen.

I thought I saw some about 50 years earlier, but I can no longer find them. Christian kingdoms are to the edge of the map in russia, and the seljuk turks are to the edge in the arabic areas.

Is it possible they just didn't show up in the game? Or perhaps the seljuk turks defeated them? Either one would be disappointing; I was thinking of starting a game as a russian player and wanted the challenge of taking on the hordes.
 
Alfred Russel said:
This is the first game I've played in years, and I've made it to 1293 as Ireland. It is set on very hard, and the Mongol Hordes are no where to be seen.

I thought I saw some about 50 years earlier, but I can no longer find them. Christian kingdoms are to the edge of the map in russia, and the seljuk turks are to the edge in the arabic areas.

Is it possible they just didn't show up in the game? Or perhaps the seljuk turks defeated them? Either one would be disappointing; I was thinking of starting a game as a russian player and wanted the challenge of taking on the hordes.
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Start in 1337!


In the first scenario, this happens:
- hordes arrive
- hordes attack somebody
- that somebody gives them all the gold he has
- the horde signs peace
- since the horde is at peace, the extra soldier stacks it starts with get demobilised
- since the horde now is defenseless, with 1 small county and a good treasury, the neighbouring russians/turks/cumans deal with them easily


When you want to fight a strong horde, start in 1337, where they have their conquests at start.
 
Edit: sorry about double-posting
 
galuska said:
Start in 1337!


In the first scenario, this happens:
- hordes arrive
- hordes attack somebody
- that somebody gives them all the gold he has
- the horde signs peace
- since the horde is at peace, the extra soldier stacks it starts with get demobilised
- since the horde now is defenseless, with 1 small county and a good treasury, the neighbouring russians/turks/cumans deal with them easily


When you want to fight a strong horde, start in 1337, where they have their conquests at start.
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Wow, that is really disappointing. I used to play this game years ago and just picked it back up--I seemed to remember that they were a power to be feared in all scenarios. Did something change, or am I remembering incorrectly?
 
Alfred Russel said:
Wow, that is really disappointing. I used to play this game years ago and just picked it back up--I seemed to remember that they were a power to be feared in all scenarios. Did something change, or am I remembering incorrectly?
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Don't know, but maybe it is more than 4,5 years ago since you played CK? Then you couldn't have played it with the 1.05 Patch and according to Johan's CK 1.05 change log: "Completely redesigned the Mongol Hordes, their initial armies, their wants, desires, succession preferences". Maybe there is the catch?
 
Alfred Russel said:
Wow, that is really disappointing. I used to play this game years ago and just picked it back up--I seemed to remember that they were a power to be feared in all scenarios. Did something change, or am I remembering incorrectly?
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Well what Galuska is saying is not entirely correct. It is just that people have totally different experiences with the Mongol Hordes. In some games they conquer all before them (even when you start in the earliers scenarios) and in some games they don't achieve much.

You just seem to have bad luck with this game.
 
The best I've seen Mongols achieve was when Golden Horde ate half of Russia, but then the other half kicked them back. It was fun though, as one Princedom managed to grab most of former Mongol lands for himself and went on to become the King of Rus. Only time I've seen it formed by AI.
 
I've just played through a horde invasion of Russia off a 1067 start. They started very nastily and ate most of the bits and pieces around the Volga-Caucasus, seemed to have 4-5 of those core regiments of 20,000 apiece. They then attacked one of my vassals and I decided to join in on the grounds I'd need to fight then sooner or later.

Overall I'd say they were moderately dangerous, the war took a while, cost me a lot of gold etc. But everytime I actually managed to defeat one of their core regiments it just evaporated, so if they won, it took normal losses and if I won it collapsed. Over a 6 year period, they seemed to get another 3-5 such regiments as reinforcements.

Anyway drove them out of Russia but the Il-khan wing are doing sort of ok in Central Asia and into modern day Iran etc.
 
Alfred Russel said:
Wow, that is really disappointing. I used to play this game years ago and just picked it back up--I seemed to remember that they were a power to be feared in all scenarios. Did something change, or am I remembering incorrectly?
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It is actually better this way.

I started playing CK without a patch, and it was quite unrealistic that they even conquered France/Germany.

IRL the russians/cumans/hungarians were enough to stop them for good, and after their pyrrhic victory of Hungary in 1242, they were not able to attack into the country again (they tried 3-4 times).


But if you want some assured mongol threat, there is always the 1337 scenario.



edit:

Veld is right in that sometimes the Mongols are doing quite good in the caucasus region, it depends on the cumans/russians power.
 
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