MP Germany vs UK

[Dunkovic]

Hi,

Me and a friend are playing a MP game where I´m running Germany and he the UK. We started the 1936 scenario and due to bugs and suggestions we decided to play with as few historical diviations as possible, i.e no Spain warfare, no couping or allies before sep 1939 etc. Now the war has broken out and I annexed Poland in a couple of weeks, had signed the M-R pact prior but the honor it event hasn´t triggered just yet.

So now, looking very week at sea, competible in the air and hopefully strong army wise, what to do? Should I honor M-R and decrease the risk for a CCCP attack to early? Should I go for Scandinavia (Norway, DK and SWE is my thought)? Any suggestions on the African desert?

Two possible strategies are:
1) Operation Landlord, occupy most of Europe and open a way through Turkey. This means grab whatever free country (BE-NE-LUX, Scandis, YUG, GRE& TUR and BUL + ROM if not allied) in 1939-1941 and DOW Russia in 1941.
2) Operation Grand Slam, ignore M-R, terminate France before spring 1940 and go all out attack on the Red boy. BE-NE-LUX and DK will probably be wiped on the path to Paris.

Whats you rexperience and how long time can you afford battling with the Russians? Btw Japan seems to do ok in China, not very good but a fair chance for success there.

 

[Galverizer]

Hi,

Me and a friend are playing a MP game where I´m running Germany and he the UK. We started the 1936 scenario and due to bugs and suggestions we decided to play with as few historical diviations as possible, i.e no Spain warfare, no couping or allies before sep 1939 etc. Now the war has broken out and I annexed Poland in a couple of weeks, had signed the M-R pact prior but the honor it event hasn´t triggered just yet.

So now, looking very week at sea, competible in the air and hopefully strong army wise, what to do? Should I honor M-R and decrease the risk for a CCCP attack to early? Should I go for Scandinavia (Norway, DK and SWE is my thought)? Any suggestions on the African desert?

Two possible strategies are:
1) Operation Landlord, occupy most of Europe and open a way through Turkey. This means grab whatever free country (BE-NE-LUX, Scandis, YUG, GRE& TUR and BUL + ROM if not allied) in 1939-1941 and DOW Russia in 1941.
2) Operation Grand Slam, ignore M-R, terminate France before spring 1940 and go all out attack on the Red boy. BE-NE-LUX and DK will probably be wiped on the path to Paris.

Whats you rexperience and how long time can you afford battling with the Russians? Btw Japan seems to do ok in China, not very good but a fair chance for success there.

Go nr 2 attack SU in spring 1940, but avoid attacking Neatherland if you can, you get problem with your TC once you occupy large areas of Russia. SU have there GDE only at 0.4 spring 1940 instead of 0.7 in spring 1941.
GDE is ground defence effektivness so his units are almost twice as strong in 1941 then 1940!
Try to built as much infantry units as you can that they are 1939 inf and not 1941 inf doesn't matter his poor GDE and his tech is probebly so way back that those 1939 inf are very good at SU forces anyway.
Take Leningrad, Moscow and Stalingrad as fast as possible so you can sign bitter peace with SU. If SU doesn't sign it he still suffer heavy dissent hit.

 

[Dunkovic]

Go nr 2 attack SU in spring 1940, but avoid attacking Neatherland if you can, you get problem with your TC once you occupy large areas of Russia. SU have there GDE only at 0.4 spring 1940 instead of 0.7 in spring 1941.
GDE is ground defence effektivness so his units are almost twice as strong in 1941 then 1940!
Try to built as much infantry units as you can that they are 1939 inf and not 1941 inf doesn't matter his poor GDE and his tech is probebly so way back that those 1939 inf are very good at SU forces anyway.
Take Leningrad, Moscow and Stalingrad as fast as possible so you can sign bitter peace with SU. If SU doesn't sign it he still suffer heavy dissent hit.

Thanks for the reply and info, wasn´t aware of the size of GDE which of course is a rather significant parameter... o

So would you go for not honoring the M-R pact agreement in order to start deeper into the east?

By no invading NL, is the TC saved worth it considering I´d anyway only go for European part of the Dutch empire. THe Japanese can take care of the Asian part when its time.

 

[Galverizer]

Thanks for the reply and info, wasn´t aware of the size of GDE which of course is a rather significant parameter... o

So would you go for not honoring the M-R pact agreement in order to start deeper into the east?

By no invading NL, is the TC saved worth it considering I´d anyway only go for European part of the Dutch empire. THe Japanese can take care of the Asian part when its time.

No I would honour the pact, then a few provinces in poland wil be counting as your national provinces and all the benifits for that like extra IC,manpower and you don't need to pay TC for occupying them.
TC is a very importent parameters to, why some players lose steam when they try and take SU is because they havn't countet on the TC factor. Artillery brigades cost lot of TC for example, have seen players with inf and art brigades on all, those german get high TC once SU is invaded and there for regain there org very very slow.

 

[unmerged(55467)]

It's actually easier to fight the USSR when you've signed and honoured the M-R pact, since you can encircle and destroy them in the plains.

 

[unmerged(59871)]

Hi,

Me and a friend are playing a MP game where I´m running Germany and he the UK. We started the 1936 scenario and due to bugs and suggestions we decided to play with as few historical diviations as possible, i.e no Spain warfare, no couping or allies before sep 1939 etc. Now the war has broken out and I annexed Poland in a couple of weeks, had signed the M-R pact prior but the honor it event hasn´t triggered just yet.

So now, looking very week at sea, competible in the air and hopefully strong army wise, what to do? Should I honor M-R and decrease the risk for a CCCP attack to early? Should I go for Scandinavia (Norway, DK and SWE is my thought)? Any suggestions on the African desert?

Two possible strategies are:
1) Operation Landlord, occupy most of Europe and open a way through Turkey. This means grab whatever free country (BE-NE-LUX, Scandis, YUG, GRE& TUR and BUL + ROM if not allied) in 1939-1941 and DOW Russia in 1941.
2) Operation Grand Slam, ignore M-R, terminate France before spring 1940 and go all out attack on the Red boy. BE-NE-LUX and DK will probably be wiped on the path to Paris.

Whats you rexperience and how long time can you afford battling with the Russians? Btw Japan seems to do ok in China, not very good but a fair chance for success there.

I you want to invade UK, i have a good strategy for you, that worked for me:

1. Invade Scand..
2. Build a divisjon with paratroopers and transport plane. Send them to Oslo and invade f.eks Scapa Flow.
4. Transport maybe 30 div. to scapa-flow and destroy UK.
5. Prepare to invade Soviet when the mud are gone, because later it will be the one hell.

I tried to be at peace with SU, so i did'nt invade them in 1941. Instead they attacked me in january 1942, and in augasty i've got a breaktrough in pruissen. 8. months later, i am 325 km from Moscow with a unstabil frontline, and with the commening allied invasjon, i will propaly not win this war. But i have many allied: ARG, SPA, JAP, ROM, HUN, BUL, ITA... but the war will go on to 2100....

 

[Dunkovic]

Now since Im playing only one human player, UK, it will be hard to execute the invasion of the Brittish Islands. My fleet is nowere near the Britts massive naval power. Fearing that an invasion of UK will lead to a massacre of unsupported troops...

 

[Galverizer]

I you want to invade UK, i have a good strategy for you, that worked for me:

1. Invade Scand..
2. Build a divisjon with paratroopers and transport plane. Send them to Oslo and invade f.eks Scapa Flow.
4. Transport maybe 30 div. to scapa-flow and destroy UK.
5. Prepare to invade Soviet when the mud are gone, because later it will be the one hell.

I tried to be at peace with SU, so i did'nt invade them in 1941. Instead they attacked me in january 1942, and in augasty i've got a breaktrough in pruissen. 8. months later, i am 325 km from Moscow with a unstabil frontline, and with the commening allied invasjon, i will propaly not win this war. But i have many allied: ARG, SPA, JAP, ROM, HUN, BUL, ITA... but the war will go on to 2100....

You always slose against SU if you don't attack him while he have low GDE thats 1940 doesn't matter if you take UK homeisland. A good SU player will then win on his massive manpower, since no fast or big victories can be made once SU GDE is up to full.

 

[Dunkovic]

You always slose against SU if you don't attack him while he have low GDE thats 1940 doesn't matter if you take UK homeisland. A good SU player will then win on his massive manpower, since no fast or big victories can be made once SU GDE is up to full.

Now im not plaing against a Human SU, but a mere computer so conquering SU would be possible starting 1941 but obviously making the campaign more risky since im loosing a year and will fight a much bigger army...

Since my friend has used his wealth and more or less bribed Portugal into the alliance, kissing up to Nationalist Spain and annoying my Italian friends in Africa im planning to make a crusade to the Iberian peninsula.

Spain refuses to join ( have like +140 with them) the Axis, Portugal i allied and I don´t want any Allied troops in Europe. My thought is to launch a major offensive in early 1940 and attack Spain, Yugoslavia and the Scandinavian countires. This will increase my beligerence and TC but if I liberate Scandinavia and am able to kick the pale britts out of Europe it might be worth vihle.

If everything would run smoth I could even conquer Greece and Turkey before end of summer 1940. If so I have a nice border in the east, both vs the Russians but also close to the African theater.

Do you think this is to risky or is it wise? I do of course keep my human opponent as busy as possible so I can strengthen up as much as possible before the real showdown. If I can scatter his forces and make them run between Iraq and mainland Portugal it will force him to spend more time and resources on land units than he really had wanted, thus spoiling his long running strategy...

 

[Galverizer]

Now im not plaing against a Human SU, but a mere computer so conquering SU would be possible starting 1941 but obviously making the campaign more risky since im loosing a year and will fight a much bigger army...

Since my friend has used his wealth and more or less bribed Portugal into the alliance, kissing up to Nationalist Spain and annoying my Italian friends in Africa im planning to make a crusade to the Iberian peninsula.

Spain refuses to join ( have like +140 with them) the Axis, Portugal i allied and I don´t want any Allied troops in Europe. My thought is to launch a major offensive in early 1940 and attack Spain, Yugoslavia and the Scandinavian countires. This will increase my beligerence and TC but if I liberate Scandinavia and am able to kick the pale britts out of Europe it might be worth vihle.

If everything would run smoth I could even conquer Greece and Turkey before end of summer 1940. If so I have a nice border in the east, both vs the Russians but also close to the African theater.

Do you think this is to risky or is it wise? I do of course keep my human opponent as busy as possible so I can strengthen up as much as possible before the real showdown. If I can scatter his forces and make them run between Iraq and mainland Portugal it will force him to spend more time and resources on land units than he really had wanted, thus spoiling his long running strategy...

No you will do a common fault to conquer to much and get your TC to high which I talked about before, taking SU will take even more from your TC, option is to liberate hole scandinavia once you got them annexed it's a strong puppet, if you can annex finland as well it will be really strong.
About Turky, I don't know increased TC...

 

[Antiochus V]

Going after Turkey will leave with you with a lot of beaches to defend, the UK will the chance to carry out some landings behind your frontlines.

 

[Dunkovic]

No you will do a common fault to conquer to much and get your TC to high which I talked about before, taking SU will take even more from your TC, option is to liberate hole scandinavia once you got them annexed it's a strong puppet, if you can annex finland as well it will be really strong.
About Turky, I don't know increased TC...

Releasing Scandinavia (excluding Finland) is my ambition in this scenario. That would leave me with not that huge TC penalty. One key is to get control of Gibralatar which is currently impossible without any land connection.

My current IC is roughly ~425 (not base) Im not building that much atm since im waiting for some techs, som my supply stockpile is now 100k which should make an supercharged assault on CCCP possible. But I would like to have roughly 500 and then as much MP as possible in order to maintain the growing army. I know it will take a huge toll once the battle on the Russian front intensifies.

So I understand you are pretty firmly against a huge empire but to some extent its also a buffer to know that the Allies don´t attack/ally with thoose countries neighbouring Germany, thus avoiding having a uninterruptable shipping of troops into the European mainland.

 

[Dunkovic]

Going after Turkey will leave with you with a lot of beaches to defend, the UK will the chance to carry out some landings behind your frontlines.

Yea, that is a risk for sure, on the other hand I force him to have troops in the area which would make the threat on the west front less intense. One key is to get control over Gibraltar, so my subs can reach the mediteranian naval zones and in the future also a big German/Japanese fleet.