Natives

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I very much hope that the way natives are represented in Victoria will be much more accurate than in EU2. In this time the natives were still a very powerful force to be reckoned with. You had the powerful Zulu which were able to win a battle or two against the most powerful nation on earth at the time (Britain). And of course, past the mississipi river, the native americans were still entirely unconquered so far.

I would really like it if these were actually playable factions.

 

[Porcius]

Well, a "battle or two" is hardly quite powerful.

Red Cloud fought the US to a near draw in the Black Hills and got a decent peace, and, of course, Custer made an ass out of himself, but for the most part the natives had sporadic successes in a long series of losses. Geronimo's "victories" were mostly in managed retreats, as were native "successes" in the Nez Perce wars.

In Africa, the Zulu victory at Islandlwhana was pretty much a one-off thing. Occasionally Europeans would stumble into ambushes, and natives with rifles could be dangerous.

I do agree that EU2 had a curious divide between native superstates and mere nuisances. I suspect that Victoria's "claim" system will allow the native peoples some measure of freedom while always being under threat.

 

[HisMajestyBOB]

Well, most of the natives that had seperate 'states' will probably be in, but that doesn't cover all of Africa and other areas, so I imagine there will have to be Eu2-style natives to fill the void.

 

[Arkestra]

I was under the impression that the defeat at Ishandlwana was more due to a good, old-fashion British cock-up (breaking open ammunition crates and finding biscuits, that sort of thing) rather than the power of the Zulu nation.

 

[Garbon]

Originally posted by HisMajestyBOB
Well, most of the natives that had seperate 'states' will probably be in, but that doesn't cover all of Africa and other areas, so I imagine there will have to be Eu2-style natives to fill the void.

Well actually a great deal of Africa was covered by "states".

 

[HisMajestyBOB]

Originally posted by Arkestra
I was under the impression that the defeat at Ishandlwana was more due to a good, old-fashion British cock-up (breaking open ammunition crates and finding biscuits, that sort of thing) rather than the power of the Zulu nation.

I believe you're correct. Most of the time, the Europeans slaughtered the natives (sometimes literally, sadly), like at Rorke's Drift, a few dozen Brits holding off thousands of Zulus.

I imagine playing the natives would be about as enjoyable as playing Kongo or Zimbabwe in Eu2: do nothing until the Euros arrive and stomp you.

 

[Garbon]

Originally posted by HisMajestyBOB
I imagine playing the natives would be about as enjoyable as playing Kongo or Zimbabwe in Eu2: do nothing until the Euros arrive and stomp you.

Only if natives are represented so poorly. I mean Kongo had a great deal of interaction with neighbors around it, that aren't to be found anywhere in EU2