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Hi, just bought this game but im quite frustrated atm.

Im trying to win Porto in a war, playing as the duchy of Galicia, but somehow, when storming with 1900 troops, the 600 portuguese troops defeat me. I have more soldiers in every troop-type but archers, where they have 27 and me only 3.

I lose about 25% morale during fire phase and after 3-4 days in shock phase, one of my regiments (900 men) retreats. Soonafter, the rest of the army retreats too.

Is this plausible? Im not seeing any dice rolls so i have no idea what might be the problem. My martial 7 general isnt that bad either...

any advice?
 
What is their general's Martial score? In my experience, the Martial score is usually the most important part of the combat to consider. Martial 7 is kinda... meeehhhh. The enemy might be something like 14, in which case there is almost no way to win. Also, if you were attacked when you have a low morale that can hurt too.
 
well his is 7 (19) and mine has 6 (13), but i cant even defeat an army of 200 troops??

also, i forgot to mention that i managed to defeat them twice but i reloaded both times because i wanted to learn the game mechanics, like sieges and such. the enemies peace deal was good (250 gold and the title in question) but i wanted to have more warscore, to maybe get something more out of them

thx for quick response!
 
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nope, its defenitely not the martials attribute. i killed his marshal but the same happens: my morale drops WAY too fast, i only survive 2-3 days of the shock/front phase

please help, this is getting ridiculously absurd :(

EDIT: sorry for spamming, but.... ive just lost again, as always, retreated to compostela, my northern province while they stayed in santiago besieging my capital. but then.... they offered me peace, recognizing my claim and giving me money????

what is wrong with the AI? ive accepted peace but i would like to know either way what just happened. i dont see any logic behind anything of this war...
 
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I'm pretty sure if you save and load a game while there is a battle taking place, all morale is set to 0. Which means you'll retreat. I think that's your problem. Do you have an earlier save to load up?

As to your last edit, I'm not sure... the AI isn't the brightest. It probably saw that you still had an army far bigger than it had, and the internal calculations said, "I'm screwed, time to give up a peace deal."
 
In my game as the O'Brian dynasty (duchy of Munster) my character has this wife, daughter of the king of England and has currently only one child, a girl with her. Her brother btw, is dead, so her older sister's son will be he king of England. And that son happens to be an O'Brian.
But anyway, my character has this bastard son, and I want him to inherit. Why you may ask, well, my parents did not officially marry until I was 1 years old, so I am technically a bastard :), and he as a stutter, just as I. So I want to play him ! This is the ck version of me. Plus, I am playing Ireland, I don't really want to inherit the throne of England, that way Ireland will loose it's interdependence.
Salic Primogeniture seems to put the eldest son first in line of inheritances, but this Constanse does not inherit before his brother John, and is it not a custom to but the oldest child on the left side and the youngest on the right side ? Does this mean this Constanse is a bastard and the auther forgot to mentioned that bastards don't inherit first ?
 
Bastards can't inherit. You can hope for an event to fire that removes that trait (or look it up and fire it manually), but that's about it.
 
Ok, too bad. How can a event remove the bastard trait ? He will be a bastard. Is it similar as with William the bastard/conqueror ? He somehow became became a duke of Normandy. I don't really feel like "cheating", so I will just leave my character's second son that was just born inherit. He is after all the grandson of the king of England. That has to help him, his closly related relatives will sit on the throne of England.
 
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Ok, too bad. How can a event remove the bastard trait ? He will be a bastard. Is it similar as with William the bastard/conqueror ? He somehow became became a duke of Normandy. I don't really feel like "cheating", so I will just leave my character's second son that was just born inherit. He is after all the grandson of the king of England. That has to help him, his closly related relatives will sit on the throne of England.
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There are a few events IIRC. One is for an independent ruler who has a lot of prestige and power on his own. I once gave my eldest, bastard son 2/3 of my kingdom so he could get this event and so inherit. There is a similar event for the descendant of a bastard who can now be included in the succession, for example Sancho Ramirez, the King of Aragon in 1066 was the son of a bastard prince of Navarra named Ramiro Sanchez who was given his own kingdom.
 
another question, ive read in the manual that its good giving titles to your sons, but is it bad for the sons education if hes not 15 years old? i just gave porto to my 2 year old son...
 
Octavio said:
another question, ive read in the manual that its good giving titles to your sons, but is it bad for the sons education if hes not 15 years old? i just gave porto to my 2 year old son...
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Not necessarily. In fact, I don't think there's much of a difference, but check out the education faq stickied at the top of the CK forum; it breaks down all the math behind traits and stats that children gain as part of education. And watch out if you make him a duke and his adjusted diplomacy stat is not at least ten--this causes his vassals to become restive, e.g., 0(10) or 3(7) or some combination thereof.
 
sorry for bothering again, ive stumbled across something that might as well be an exploit and i just wanted to know if everybody regularly uses it.

ive noticed that maintaining my +2000 troops from my demesne costs me 29 gold. but what i do is 1) mobilize my own troops 2) declare war 3) make a grand mobilization 4) disband my own army.
in that order, vassals dont lose loyalty and i dont have to pay any maintenance for a total of 1600 troops

am i missing some kind of penalty??
 
Octavio said:
sorry for bothering again, ive stumbled across something that might as well be an exploit and i just wanted to know if everybody regularly uses it.

ive noticed that maintaining my +2000 troops from my demesne costs me 29 gold. but what i do is 1) mobilize my own troops 2) declare war 3) make a grand mobilization 4) disband my own army.
in that order, vassals dont lose loyalty and i dont have to pay any maintenance for a total of 1600 troops

am i missing some kind of penalty??
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Nope, not at all :) ... you never pay for vassal troops and having your own mobilized first, means that the vassals will not get loyalty drops when you ask them to mobilize their troops.
 
again another question, im controlling many provinces from galicia to portugal and now i have an alert telling me that im able to create the title of beija. whats that good for? im still only a duke (galicia) and i tried creating and granting the title (to a son) but it went independent that way, i see no advantage in this.

many thanks!
 
Octavio said:
again another question, im controlling many provinces from galicia to portugal and now i have an alert telling me that im able to create the title of beija. whats that good for? im still only a duke (galicia) and i tried creating and granting the title (to a son) but it went independent that way, i see no advantage in this.

many thanks!
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Creating titles gives you prestige. During a game I tend to create, grab and usurp a lot of titles ^^
Titles that are not currently held by someone can be created if you own a certain number of provinces that made up the region of that duchy or kingdom.
A duke however can have only counts as vassals. As soon as you grant your son a title that is higher or equal to yours he goes independant.
So keep it until you have a king title and then grant it to your son.
 
Yeah, it's good for prestige, too, to have more than one title of your highest rank at one time (e.g., more than one ducal title if you are a duke). I think that it also figures into vassals not being so fast to declare independence if you have the title over their own lands. Just out of curiosity, did you annex all those sheikdoms in Beja or did you keep them as vassals?

Another issue you asked about: remember that your vassals are paying money every month to support their mobilized troops, which will slow down their ability to build improvements to their provinces, if that is a concern.
 
thanks to both of you!

ergo i should be a king in order to grant that ducal title to someone, hrm.
i dont think i need that much prestige though, the christians are as good as dead in the peninsula and i only used my prestige points to DOW them

well i annexed the sheikdoms and then gave them to a courtier, mostly bishops though because they dont get disloyal due to my huge piety score. btw, what to do with that piety?
heres a pic of my game... badajoz is on a rampage, leon inherited castille but apparently chose the castillian coat of arms.

edit: any advice on my game would be welcome, hehe ;)
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Prestige gives a bonus to monthly loyalty gain for direct vassals; I believe it's 100 prestige = 1% (or 0.1%). Piety works the same way for direct bishop or archbishop vassals.

With that map, I'd work on creating the Kingdom of Portugal. If you're running without any mods, you have 6 of the 10 provinces constituting the kingdom. You only need 1 more to have the 2/3's majority needed to create the title. That would be my first goal.
 
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