Not able to save cloud saves + not able to delete them

[tcmdan]

I am now unable to save new cloud saves error log says "Failed to write cloud save file SAVE_NOSPACE_ON_DRIVE" and my steam cloud saves are at the limit. i would presume its not deleting the old ones, this is particually annoying as i use both my local machine and gfn making save sharing a pain.
Looking into deleting the clould saves system to delete them requires me to be able to bring up the cloud data conflict pop up to force my local data to be the one on the cloud but stellaris doesn't seem to have this ability meaning theres no way to fix it.
attached the log, while its from a modded game i have the sme issue in vanilla (the last 4 lines are the relervent bit)

 

[AndrewT]

I'm not aware of any way of deleting Steam cloud saves other than from within the game. Steam let you view and download them here, but no delete option:

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Can you contact Steam for help on that? Perhaps they can do it within their system.

 

[tcmdan]

Ah, i may have forgotten that you can also delete could saves in the game (the feature had been broken for long enough that i didn't see any of the saves that are in the cloud). Fixes the issue indirectly

 

[TentacleMayor]

I think my game may be borked:

- Running Linux GOG version of Stellaris
- I enabled "autosave to cloud"
- It made dozens and dozens of saves, none of them backed up to the cloud
- Game won't allow me to save, either to cloud or locally
- Can't delete them. Oh, it shows them being removed from the list, but as soon as I exit the screen and come back, they're there again.
- Nothing I can do in the Saves folder, nothing there.
- Somehow I can still load these saves, even though apparently they're neither local nor in the cloud.

Edit: nope, it's gone. Serves me right for trusting "the cloud".

 

[AndrewT]

I don't know what cloud that version saves in, I'm afraid - whether GoG have their own, or some Paradox facility I'm unaware of, or somewhere else. Either way there is not likely to be any direct access to those saves, unlike with Steam. I'll ask Paradox next week, but maybe meantime you could contact GoG support and ask them? Thanks!

But not saving locally is very bad indeed (although not related to the topic of this thread - a new thread would have been better!). Has this always been the case, or it used to work up to some point?

What exactly happens when you do a manual local save game in a non-Ironman galaxy? Any error show?

 

[TentacleMayor]

I don't know what cloud that version saves in, I'm afraid - whether GoG have their own, or some Paradox facility I'm unaware of, or somewhere else. Either way there is not likely to be any direct access to those saves, unlike with Steam. I'll ask Paradox next week, but maybe meantime you could contact GoG support and ask them? Thanks!

But not saving locally is very bad indeed (although not related to the topic of this thread - a new thread would have been better!). Has this always been the case, or it used to work up to some point?

What exactly happens when you do a manual local save game in a non-Ironman galaxy? Any error show?

I've accepted I've lost that game, and will restart without cloud saving. Was hoping to be able to seamlessly play between PC and Steam Deck, but I guess Stellaris relies on Steam / Galaxy to handle the cloud saving, and I was running the non-client GOG download of Stellaris through Steam. What happened was the game filled the folder with unuploaded monthly autosaves, and when I tried to make my own save (with cloud saving turned off) I got the message that I'd reached the limit of saves for that session, and had to delete some. Which the game wouldn't let me, and when I restarted Stellaris they were all gone. I guess the takeaway is the game should let the player save locally even if the limit of cloud saves has been reached, to avoid an outcome like this.

Edit: While my last point stands, upon restarting the game again today I found an older cloud save that had been uploaded. All the autosaves are still gone, but this one manual cloud save exists. So I guess 1. Cloud saving is still possible when running the GOG version through Steam, 2. it was just the cloud-saved autosaves that had the problem.

 

[AndrewT]

I was running the non-client GOG download of Stellaris through Steam

Do you mean you added it to your Steam client as a non-Steam game? If so, all that does is use Steam instead of Galaxy to run stellaris.exe - it is still the GoG edition of the game and knows nothing about Steam or the Steam cloud.

Going back to this:

- I enabled "autosave to cloud"
- It made dozens and dozens of saves, none of them backed up to the cloud

Was it an Ironman game? if so, there are in fact no autosaves at all - that mode does what you might call 'forced manual saves', the autosave setting has no effect on it. But how are you determining they are not in the cloud?

 

[TentacleMayor]

Do you mean you added it to your Steam client as a non-Steam game? If so, all that does is use Steam instead of Galaxy to run stellaris.exe - it is still the GoG edition of the game and knows nothing about Steam or the Steam cloud.

Correct, and yet I have access to cloud saving. I can also access them on my Windows PC, whether I run it through Steam or not. I guess the Paradox launcher has its own cloud?

Was it an Ironman game? if so, there are in fact no autosaves at all - that mode does what you might call 'forced manual saves', the autosave setting has no effect on it. But how are you determining they are not in the cloud?

It was not an Ironman game. When I had the issue with not being able to save, all the autosaves had the blue "not synced" icon, and now they no longer show up in the saves list, they're gone. But I've learned my lesson: no cloud-autosaving, and whenever I want to transfer a save between PC and Deck, I just make a manual cloud save. Anyway, thanks for the responses.

 

[AndrewT]

Correct, and yet I have access to cloud saving. I can also access them on my Windows PC, whether I run it through Steam or not. I guess the Paradox launcher has its own cloud?

As I said before, I do not know whether the GoG edition of the game uses some cloud that GoG provides, or that Paradox do. Did you contact GoG support to ask that, as I requested?

 

[AndrewT]

We found this

https://support.gog.com/hc/en-us/articles/360003905358-How-can-I-remove-saves-from-the-cloud?product=gog

which pretty clearly shows the games are help id a GoG cloud, not with us or anywhere else. Unfortunately still no way to see the actual files in their cloud, outside the game!