Ottoman titles rework suggestion

[Emre Yigit]

1) Playing as the OE, I got a regency and the wife of the deceased sultan became regent. So far so good.

The problem is that the keeps her previous title, Haseki Sultan. Which of course suggests that she is still favoured above all women known (in the Biblical sense) by her dead husband (or worse, her son.) Better would be Valide Sultan (Sultan Mother).

2) In a similar vein, I had never heard the term "Vali Ahad" used to describe an Ottoman Crown Prince. Veliaht or Saltanat Veliahtı is the usual term. Paradox loves changing Turkish t's to d's, so I suppose in Paradox orthography, it would be veliahd.


Could these possibly be changed?

 

[Chamboozer]

Paradox loves changing Turkish t's to d's,

Well, so did the Ottomans.

Why not just Şehzade?

 

[Emre Yigit]

Well, so did the Ottomans.

Why not just Şehzade?

In written form, not spoken, unless you hailed from the boondocks.

Şehzade would do, but that's generic prince.

 

[Trin Tragula]

Well, so did the Ottomans.

Why not just Şehzade?

Events use Şehzade a lot to refer to various princes that aren't the designated heir. We certainly could refer to them all as Şehzade though, even if some texts would have to be rewritten to make it clear who is the "actual" heir.

 

[Emre Yigit]

Events use Şehzade a lot to refer to various princes that aren't the designated heir. We certainly could refer to them all as Şehzade though, even if some texts would have to be rewritten to make it clear who is the "actual" heir.

Well then, veliaht? A very late addition to official Ottoman parlance, I'm guessing, but perfectly comprehensible, I'm sure.

( @Chamboozer , that doesn't soften to "d" even if you stick a vowel after. Following on from the previous post, Ottoman orthography can seem weird; but, consider the vowel "e" in the Latin alphabet. I can transliterate that to i, ö and e in the Turkish alphabet depending on whether it appears in English, French or Italian. The first letters of the alphabet in Ottoman Turkish were elif, (hemze), be, not alif, ba. ) ث = s, not th, etc. So, Mehmed-i sani would be mispronounced by a casual reader of Arabic. And even if the ending is a د, the reason why modern Turkish inevitably writes that as a t is that by the time of my grandparents (the penultimate pre-romanisation generation), the pronunciation had changed. So yes, it is written Mehmed, but pronounced Mehmet, I'm guessing for centuries, but certainly since the early 18th. Since we're talking about a different alphabet altogether, I'll go with Mehmet II, Ahmet III, etc.)

(Edit: We could have been much surer if the Greeks had been consistent, and comprehensible, about writing Turkish names. But I gave up after finding Amaris as a transliteration of Ömer.)


Edit 2: I'm still more concerned about the Sultan's mother being his Haseki!