I dont't know if this has been asked already but does anyone know if there will be a feature that allows the pope to excummunicate someone or declare an interdict?
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I haven't heard specifically, but I would be very surprised if the development team left out something that important. I'd bet that it'll be included.
Yeah, this was the time when the Papacy held the most power. It would only make sense that things like that were in...along with the subtle manipulation of the church by your hands. 
well, if one is in, the other should probably be as well...
Might be a bit of a puzzle to work out who believes in what pope and therefore who acknowledge the excommunication
Might be a bit of a puzzle to work out who believes in what pope and therefore who acknowledge the excommunication
Province religion would perhaps be the determiner as to which Pope excommunicates who?
I would hope both declaring a deceased family member a saint and excommunicating you is a thing the Pope(s) can do.
I would hope both declaring a deceased family member a saint and excommunicating you is a thing the Pope(s) can do.
Excommunication could be pretty severe, especially before the big papal-imperial struggle of the 12th century, but the effect declined with time. In addition, it was seldomly directed at more than one faction or person, and even less often directed at a king or emperor (typically his advisors would get it, for giving him "bad councel") though it of course happened.
After the papacy moved to Avignon and especially in the multipope eras, excommunication had pretty limited effect...
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After the papacy moved to Avignon and especially in the multipope eras, excommunication had pretty limited effect...
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if Paradox does have it in the game i would like to see how they would work in an interdict being issued
well hopefully it wont get out of hand. Its a bit funny in M: TW when the French decide to pause in the war with England so they can declare a war against the Spanish.
Maybe "unchristian" deeds will negatively effect your prestige score, and if prestige drops low enough, you are automatically excommunicated?
I pray the only similiarity between CK and M:TW's strategic aspects is the timeframe and location, personally.Originally posted by Jaron
well hopefully it wont get out of hand. Its a bit funny in M: TW when the French decide to pause in the war with England so they can declare a war against the Spanish.
I hope so Priest. I loved MTW really, but I got too swamped in micromanagement and silly ahistorical occurances. I don't need a game to play like a history book, just capture a feel of the era.
I seem to remember vaguely that there was one declared against France under Philip II Augustus at some point, either due to the fact that he tarried too long with joining a crusade, or returned from it too soon. But it was pretty short (few months IIRC).
On a related note, I wonder how the "Avignon Slavery" will be handled in game. In particular whether it will be a historical event (unlikely and frankly speaking, I wouldn't like it) or some sort of generic event triggered by occupation of Rome (so it does not need to be Avignon, but can be Regensburg for example - with adequate political ramifications).
Innocent II placed an interdict on Louis VII of France (lifted by Celestine II in 1143.)
Peter of Castelnau, as papal inquisitor of the Albigenses, placed an interdict on Languedoc in 1207.
Innocent III placed an interdict on England in 1208 (ended in 1214).
In 1219, the Archbishop of Braga placed an interdict on Portugal (later confirmed by the pope).
I would hope that, since the player has some influence on who receives high church offices, that the occassional excommunication is possible in the game.
Peter of Castelnau, as papal inquisitor of the Albigenses, placed an interdict on Languedoc in 1207.
Innocent III placed an interdict on England in 1208 (ended in 1214).
In 1219, the Archbishop of Braga placed an interdict on Portugal (later confirmed by the pope).
I would hope that, since the player has some influence on who receives high church offices, that the occassional excommunication is possible in the game.
AFAIK was against John by Innocent III. John was already in trouble because he kidnapped and married the future wife of Arthur of Brittany (a vassal) in 1200, and, since he never showed up to face the French kings justice, lost Normandy. He then made the pope angry by manipulating the election of the archbishop of Canterbury, and then refusing the Pope's candidate. The end result was the John lost all his Normandy lands by 1204 and was placed under interdict between 1208-1214. He also faced a Welsh rebellion 1211 and a possible baronial rebellion
John resolved the terrible situation he'd gotten himself into by giving his kingdom to the pope and the pope giving back and making John a vassal of the Pope.
Um, actually i think its a good thing to have, but not as a pick-and-choose type thing based on your power. It should be completely out of your control and any excommunication should be based on peity and the political power of the person's indirect influence in the chruch, though no amount of influence should stop excommunication on some things.
No, it was for reasons much more scandalous. When Philip married a Danish princess, something happened during the wedding night - though absolutely refused later to say what it was. The next morning, he put her away in a nunnery and swore never to see her again. He then proceeded to marry another wife. The enranged King of Denmark appealed to the Pope, who intervened on behalf of the Danish king. Eventually Philip was forced to repudiate his later wife and make the Danish princess his official Queen (though he still refused to see her)