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Will the Patriach of Konstantinopole have any power? In Byzantium this patriach held great power. In the years of the decline of the empire the power of this orthodox church grew. In times the whole eastern Europe was under the power of the patriach. Would be something of that power be represented in the game? Will have any similarities with the Pope?
 
Good point, i hope it is handled somewhat the same as the pope.
With the player being able to put a familymember in that position.
 
That would be cool. Perhaps he could be distracted to fight with the pope so he doesn´t interfer so much with the emperor (me that is).
 
I thought that the Patriarch, by virtue of being in the same city as the Eastern Emperor, was almost always entirely under the Emperor's thumb. This was in contract with the West, where the Pope and the Emperor were more like equals, and corresponingly fought with each other.
 
Originally posted by BarristerBoy
I thought that the Patriarch, by virtue of being in the same city as the Eastern Emperor, was almost always entirely under the Emperor's thumb. This was in contract with the West, where the Pope and the Emperor were more like equals, and corresponingly fought with each other.
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He was, for the most part, though the Patriarch made a good amount of trouble for the Emperor on several notable occassions. However, he wasn't anywhere near the independent power that the Pope was, as the Pope had considerable temporal power where the Patriarch didn't. He should probably be pretty much the same as any other bishop in the game, though perhaps with a bit more power...
 
Originally posted by Demetrios


He was, for the most part, though the Patriarch made a good amount of trouble for the Emperor on several notable occassions. However, he wasn't anywhere near the independent power that the Pope was, as the Pope had considerable temporal power where the Patriarch didn't. He should probably be pretty much the same as any other bishop in the game, though perhaps with a bit more power...
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i agree; the de facto head of the orthodox church was the roman (byzantine) emperor
 
Originally posted by Demetrios

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He should probably be pretty much the same as any other bishop in the game, though perhaps with a bit more power...
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But what would that bit more power be? We don't know what power (if any) the bishops will have. The only distinction so far is that the Bishop of Rome will have special powers. So if the Patriarch of Constantinople is somewhere in between - where does that leave him? Can the Patriarch of Constantinople hold a province as a Latin bishop can?

All too mysterious for me to figure out.:)

EDIT: WHERE does that leave him?
 
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Will bishoprics even be implemented in the game? We know that the Papacy and the knightly orders will be in because they are "controllable", but would you really gain that much as a dynastic head by controlling a bishopric?
 
Originally posted by BarristerBoy
Will bishoprics even be implemented in the game? We know that the Papacy and the knightly orders will be in because they are "controllable", but would you really gain that much as a dynastic head by controlling a bishopric?
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I doubt it. My guess is that they will be abstracted somehow. Perhaps an area could be controlled by a bishop within the family though.
 
Bishops should certainly be able to control land. Not only that but if your bishop gets high enough in the church you just might have a Pope in your family.

Think of all the piety points you could gain by having a bishop or two in the family.:)
 
Originally posted by BarristerBoy
But I don't think the amount of land controlled by a bishop would be enough to be abstracted into an entire CK province. Now an archbishopric, on the other hand...
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Ah. O.K. I see your point. I was not making the distinction between bishop and archbishop.:)
 
Maybe we could say that Patriarch of Constantinople is controlled by Emperor, just like Archbishop of Cantenbury in England. We could also, say that PC (Patriarch of Constantinople) is just a successful story of controlling the Church where Emperor failed with Pope. You know what I mean? That Pope could be your family member, or friend, right? So, PC is a sucess story, and West will attempt to model that way.
 
The Patriarch deferred most of the authority to the Emperor. The Pope in the west managed to gain power in the time of Gregory the Great due to the instability of the west.

The Great Schism mainly occured due to the east preferring to follow the Emperors authority and not the popes.
 
Originally posted by Zhai
Maybe we could say that Patriarch of Constantinople is controlled by Emperor, just like Archbishop of Cantenbury in England. We could also, say that PC (Patriarch of Constantinople) is just a successful story of controlling the Church where Emperor failed with Pope. You know what I mean? That Pope could be your family member, or friend, right? So, PC is a sucess story, and West will attempt to model that way.
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The Archbishop of Cantuburry being contolled by the king? Perhaps afer the Reformation, but before that certainly wasn't a given (though there were some who were under the king's thumb), where Archbishops of Canturbury often were at loggerheads with the king. Does the name Thomas Becket ring a bell?
 
Originally posted by BarristerBoy
Does anyone know what other patriarchates, if any, came into existance over the CK era?
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Traditionally, the five partiarchates were Rome, Constantinople, Antioch, Alexandria, and Jerusalem. The Archbishops of Aquileia gained the dignity of Patriarch before the period of the game, and the Eastern Church created Patriarchates for the Bulgarians (at Trnovo) and the Serbs (at Pec, though its creation was more Stepan Dushan wanting to have all the imperial trappings for his new Serbian Empire than the doing of the Church as a whole).
 
The Archbishop of Cantuburry being contolled by the king? Perhaps afer the Reformation, but before that certainly wasn't a given (though there were some who were under the king's thumb), where Archbishops of Canturbury often were at loggerheads with the king. Does the name Thomas Becket ring a bell?
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That reminds me, I have a question. Will we have the relative we put on papal throne or being bishop bacvkfires on us? Like, Thomas Becket was King's best friend, and chancellor (or is that counselor? I forgot which), so when he was nominated for archibisahopy of Catenbury, King supports him, and have arranged for him being elected. However, he is man of high moral, so he felt that the Church should be on its own. So, he starts to "rebel" again King, and being a real Archbishop. So would we have that feature in CK?

maybe my son, the pope, will decide to be not a puppet but a real Pope?
 
I think that would/and should be possible, it all depends on the loyalty of that person to you. The fact that he is your son does not need to make him extremely loyal to you.
 
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