Picking up culture from teacher...sooo stupid

[Hardeknut]

Any way to change it so a child doesnt change culture by being educated?

It is probably the most silly design flaw added by paradox. It makes perfect sense that a child would pick up good and bad personality traits from its mentor but certainly not that the child changes culture.

Suddenly i am stuck with an italien king though both mother and father have been danish for the last 3 generations.

Its driving me nuts.

It would be much better if it was an event with a small chance to happen. A risk you would take if you sent your precious heir to train with that uber steward from a strange culture.

Something that would make you go "argh crap"...not something that would always happen.

 

[zonkie]

WizCK2 is what you are looking for.

 

[unmerged(456274)]

> most silly design flaw
I actually think it's a nice and useful feature.
When playing as the king of France I use it to improve relations with vassals of originally different cultures...

 

[Overlord123]

Actually it is an event where you can decide if the your child should adopt the culture or not, but the AI will always choose yes.
So if you give your child a landed title you have no control over it anymore.

 

[Arko]

It is probably the most silly design flaw added by paradox. It makes perfect sense that a child would pick up good and bad personality traits from its mentor but certainly not that the child changes culture.

completly awesome and realistic feature IMOH. it is silly if you get educaed by the local bishop even if he is italian or so, but if you are sent far from your family it is very logical to have a possibility -during the 10 years of education- to get the culture of your mentor / country of residence.

silly thing to give as a pretext is that this game design is flawed. you just do not like it doesn't mean it is flawed.

 

[Salik]

And very usefull too, if you inherit a kingdom with different culture from your own. Send your son to be educated by a local and you won't have a hit to relations anymore when he inherits

 

[unmerged(75409)]

If you don't want your kid to change culture, don't give it to foreigners as a ward. Even if they have super traits and stats. It's really as simple as that.

 

[Jaol]

I think it's a great feature, but it could use some tweaks.

What about this: instead of a 100% chance for the AI to change the kid's culture, make it context dependent: if the guardian is in a province of the ward's culture, or has a liege of the ward's culture, etc. it will be less likely to switch.

Any other ideas for things to modify the chances?

 

[Hardeknut]

It doesnt make sense that the son of a king should be converted by some insignificant noble. I could better understand it if it was the other way around.

 

[Callendor]

Yes, it makes sense. If the child was warded by an Italian (and I don't see why a proud danish dynasty would want to do THAT) he would learn Italian as first language, will celebrate holidays the Italian way, have Italian accent, etc. This seems perectly reasonable for me.


Also, you can use it, for example, when you want a certain son of yours to be duke of place X with another culture. You send him to a teacher from X, and he will be more liked by the population,

 

[Fargham]

The rub comes when he is raised by a foreigner in your own court. I've never sent my sons away to another court..., sometimes their mother or grandmother is just so perfect, it makes sense to give the kids over to her. At that point the kid may see her doing Basque things, but most of the food he is still going to get is Irish, 99.9% of the people around him are going to do Irish things... his friends are all Irish, the court is all Irish, hell the world is almost all Irish.

So no, he would not learn Basque, he would learn Irish with some Basque leaning. As it stands, the system is broken. It should take into account 1) DNA - does the kid look Basque? ok, points there, 2) Where was he raised. 90% of the time he should get the province culture he is raised in, 10% of the time the teacher might be able to overrule this, but for the most part, they can't sit on the kid 100% of the time and force them to ignore their surroundings.

Edit: Just to clarify about the looks things before people grab their torches and pitchforks....
If the kid looks foreign, other people are going to treat him foreign, and he might even begin to act foreign. Keyword is might. Being ostracized as a kid might be enough for him to feel his DNA over his surroundings.

 

[unmerged(445219)]

So you want to make a complicated system out of a very useful, very avoidable system of changing cultures? Then download the mod listed above or make your own mod, the current system is too useful and simple to be changed from vanilla.

 

[Fargham]

Simple but completely unintuitive is the problem. Users won't be able to figure it out (heck I didnt figure it out until reading forums). The game already has a steep enough learning curve. This one would be simple to solve.

 

[unmerged(72355)]

I disagree. I sort of assumed that culture might change if you had your child raised by a different culture iwthout seeing it somewhere. It made sense to me for the reason pointed out by Clendor.
I like the feature. Playing Holland, I do my best to keep my dynasty "Dutch" (which isn't easy with German liege, neighbours and courtiers). The choice "Do I want my child tutored by my awesome courtier who is German or keep him in my own culture with a silly Dutchman" is an interesting one IMO.
But to each their own. I can see why people don't like it (neither did parents seeing their sons forget their native culture, probably ).