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I see the Spanish-Poland allaince in damn near every game. It is an allaince that is uniquely useless to both sides (save some nominal chance of Spanish intervention vs the Austrians) and almost never will expire becuase both sides live at war.

Can something be done about the relations between these two states to prevent this alliance from forming? I can't see any downside to poorer Spanish-Polish relations but the upside is elminating one of the more odd allainces.
 
I usually have a French - Polish alliance :D Just as useless to both :D

Poland has quite a few negative diplo events but they can't stay out of war for 10 years (esp when allied with France or Spain) so that alliance just keeps lasting :D
 
Originally posted by BiB
I usually have a French - Polish alliance :D Just as useless to both :D
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Same here but I disagree about it being useless. I find that, certainly while Poland is on somewhat equal technological footing, they have the ability to gang bang most of the HRE, occasionally scandinavian states and Austria.
 
None of which are targets of mine when I'm France nor do I think they should be when played by the AI :D Usually it draws France into war with the Ottomans, which it doesn't need.
 
Even if it isn't, it still works when France employs it. Anyway, I don't really see France getting very involved in the Turkish wars. Normally they're loyal allies, but I can't remember a time in Turkish wars when they've helped more than average to minimally. Probably because they're fighting the Spanish at the same time...
 
Originally posted by BiB
None of which are targets of mine when I'm France nor do I think they should be when played by the AI :D Usually it draws France into war with the Ottomans, which it doesn't need.
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France or Spain niether can be helped much, if at all by Poland and perhaps much, much worse is that Poland gets almost zippo help from its allies- France or Spain can do jack vs the Russians and generally are casual observers to the Turkish wars. It just seems to me the AI get hurt very badly with these kinds of alliances.
 
Originally posted by Sidney

France or Spain niether can be helped much, if at all by Poland and perhaps much, much worse is that Poland gets almost zippo help from its allies
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Like I said, strategically, at least from France's perspective in the first century or what, the alliance is excellent. Typically, they get great help against the Austrians and can happily pick at provinces in the HRE. I've never seen the Spanish ally with Spain, but I admit, that would be a crap alliance. As you say, Poland gets a crappy deal all around.
 
Poland often ally with france or Spain, about 50% each.
It is not to bad if you look at the other possibilities:

Russia - Both has CB and hate each other.

Sweden - Both has CB and hate each other.

Turks - Both has CB and hate each other and are muslim.

Hungary - Vassal of Austria who hate you.

Brandenbourg - Both has CB and hate each other.

Hanseatic leuge - You hate each other, and you have a CB on them.

Some of the mongols - You hate eachother and they will soon be a part of russia.

Denmark - Choses to ally with russia instead of you 10 times of 10.



France - Will actualy agree to a alliance and can help aganst the Austrian alliance.

Spain - Will also agree to ally, they can help a puiny little bit against they austrian alliance.
 
Originally posted by Lars
Poland often ally with france or Spain, about 50% each.
It is not to bad if you look at the other possibilities:

Russia - Both has CB and hate each other.

Sweden - Both has CB and hate each other.

Turks - Both has CB and hate each other and are muslim.

Hungary - Vassal of Austria who hate you.

Brandenbourg - Both has CB and hate each other.

Hanseatic leuge - You hate each other, and you have a CB on them.

Some of the mongols - You hate eachother and they will soon be a part of russia.

Denmark - Choses to ally with russia instead of you 10 times of 10.

France - Will actualy agree to a alliance and can help aganst the Austrian alliance.

Spain - Will also agree to ally, they can help a puiny little bit against they austrian alliance.
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Actually, IMHO relations between Poland-Lithania and Bohemia/Hungary are, hmmm... Completly wrong. Those countries were ruled by one family, after all, though there were some squabbles, that's not reason to make relations -160
 
IMHO by far the biggest issue here is that wars outside of Europe, in the ROTW, keep alliances going forever. I'm thinking specifically of Spain fighting the Aztecs and mainly the Incas forever, meaning that the alliances they're in NEVER end, unless a human player is involved and he sees how dumb the whole situation is. Sure, Spain isn't the worst country to be in alliance with, but still, I think this undermines the purpose of the diplomatic model in this game, which is to show you how balance of power alliances swing quickly around and change, and how they did so in the period of 1492-1792. I guess this is more of a gripe for the wish list, but when Spain is battling with the Incas or Aztecs, or anybody else with Hyperbad or Nippon or whatever, I'd like to see the alliances that contain all European states who don't give a d*** about the Incas be able to end in 10 years.
 
(scratches head) Well, I never considered the possibility that someone would purposely but in the 200 year alliance and I've been fairly on top of the IGC debate so I thought I would have read about it, even I was not perhaps right up in it, so I figured it's a bug. If it's not, and it was discussed and put in, it sounds like a pretty boggling decision. A 200 year alliance?
 
Originally posted by Maur13

Actually, IMHO relations between Poland-Lithania and Bohemia/Hungary are, hmmm... Completly wrong. Those countries were ruled by one family, after all, though there were some squabbles, that's not reason to make relations -160
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Agreed, -160 is exagerated... Why don't make it -10 or just 0
 
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