Hello Paradoxians,
This issue I would like to bring up is not really about EU4 itself, but rather, this forum for suggestions. I mean this in a positive and constructive way!
Now, I am not one who exactly scours the entire forum for everything, but I got to thinking about how so many people put in hours or even days of research (as I did for Nubia) for certain areas like adding Slovenian/Fixing Carniola, or separating Turkish into a separate group, or India, or Egypt, or the new world, or simple changes, who then place their ideas and all their knowledge/research they have gained onto a thread like this one to perhaps inspire the Devs to add the proposed content to this great game. Whether to increase overall historical accuracy, or better the Gameplay, there is a lot of motivation for someone in this community to help better the game, which is such an amazing thing that you Devs work with the community. But there are two major flaws in this that I ask you to consider improving upon!
1. Lack of Communication between Suggestions and Devs. (I also mean this politely)
One major flaw that I discovered is your lack of communication to those that have made very plausible and understandable suggestions onto the forum. Maybe a few to tens of ideas flood through on the day to day, and get some responses and agreement from other viewers. Maybe the suggestion gets 50 agrees and a thousand views! However, even with all that, there is no telling if you Devs have even looked at or seen the post. Seldom do I see you Devs respond to any suggestions whatsoever. Some responses are mere "corrections" of a suggestion. Does this mean that there is no compromise on the idea? Is that entire suggestion on adding flavor to Hindu nations kaput because something was wrong? Or perhaps the ideas that many agree with to fix a few things in the 1.23 Persia update is out of the question? We don't know.
I was never told if my suggestion for Nubia was good or bad (except by other players). I was not told if it might be considered. I was not told it would or would not be added. I was not told anything, I was simply left with a few fellow players liking my suggestion or disapproving. I need to know if my suggestion, where i spent 5 days researching, could make it into the game or not. I am simply asking for an Answer. I understand as developers of multiple games, you don't always have the time to look through the forum to answer questions and whatnot, which is what brings me to Issue #2 (Which will also talk about adding a weekly, or every other weekly polling system in the suggestions forum).
2. Are you actually using anybody's suggestions? If so, Credit Where Credit Is Due!
A smaller issue, and please, please correct me if I am wrong, but looking through the Dev Diaries, I have not seen any recognition for ANY users. Whether crediting a single user, or you would like to be generic (saying "thanks to the community") if any ideas, whether small or large, have been used or incorporated into the game, I think Users should be recognized for the aid provided (Perhaps the small ideas can be credited to the Community, but bigger changes should be more personal). Let us know if the community actually contributed or at least inspired something for the patch, it makes us feel like we are able to accomplish what we set our mind to (at least for the forum ^^). Lastly, let us know if you tried to incorporate a suggestion into the game (say, separating the Turkish culture), but it just didn't work out, so we know you tried for us, and did what you could
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Another way is to add in a polling system into the suggestion forums. If you see suggestions you personally see enhancing EU4, find out if the community thinks that too! If you have little time to look closer at a suggestion, or can't respond, compile a list of ones that seem interesting and ask the community for help to see if they want it in the game. An example:
"Hey, @Trin Tragula here (How does Trin talk usually?), today we have some great ideas from you guys that we Devs would like to consider. What do you guys think?"
(In real poll form)
"Add Greek cores once Byzanitum Cores Expire:
yes: 37
no: 23
Add provinces and flavour to the Balkans:
yes: 15
no: 40
Remove French core on Labourd and Bordeaux:
yes: 2
no: 89
Add Slovenian Culture and new provinces/countries in Austria:
yes: 63
no: 60"
I hope this is seriously thought over and sincerely considered by the Developers, to bring better communication between you and the community.
Thank you.
This issue I would like to bring up is not really about EU4 itself, but rather, this forum for suggestions. I mean this in a positive and constructive way!
Now, I am not one who exactly scours the entire forum for everything, but I got to thinking about how so many people put in hours or even days of research (as I did for Nubia) for certain areas like adding Slovenian/Fixing Carniola, or separating Turkish into a separate group, or India, or Egypt, or the new world, or simple changes, who then place their ideas and all their knowledge/research they have gained onto a thread like this one to perhaps inspire the Devs to add the proposed content to this great game. Whether to increase overall historical accuracy, or better the Gameplay, there is a lot of motivation for someone in this community to help better the game, which is such an amazing thing that you Devs work with the community. But there are two major flaws in this that I ask you to consider improving upon!
1. Lack of Communication between Suggestions and Devs. (I also mean this politely)
One major flaw that I discovered is your lack of communication to those that have made very plausible and understandable suggestions onto the forum. Maybe a few to tens of ideas flood through on the day to day, and get some responses and agreement from other viewers. Maybe the suggestion gets 50 agrees and a thousand views! However, even with all that, there is no telling if you Devs have even looked at or seen the post. Seldom do I see you Devs respond to any suggestions whatsoever. Some responses are mere "corrections" of a suggestion. Does this mean that there is no compromise on the idea? Is that entire suggestion on adding flavor to Hindu nations kaput because something was wrong? Or perhaps the ideas that many agree with to fix a few things in the 1.23 Persia update is out of the question? We don't know.
I was never told if my suggestion for Nubia was good or bad (except by other players). I was not told if it might be considered. I was not told it would or would not be added. I was not told anything, I was simply left with a few fellow players liking my suggestion or disapproving. I need to know if my suggestion, where i spent 5 days researching, could make it into the game or not. I am simply asking for an Answer. I understand as developers of multiple games, you don't always have the time to look through the forum to answer questions and whatnot, which is what brings me to Issue #2 (Which will also talk about adding a weekly, or every other weekly polling system in the suggestions forum).
2. Are you actually using anybody's suggestions? If so, Credit Where Credit Is Due!
A smaller issue, and please, please correct me if I am wrong, but looking through the Dev Diaries, I have not seen any recognition for ANY users. Whether crediting a single user, or you would like to be generic (saying "thanks to the community") if any ideas, whether small or large, have been used or incorporated into the game, I think Users should be recognized for the aid provided (Perhaps the small ideas can be credited to the Community, but bigger changes should be more personal). Let us know if the community actually contributed or at least inspired something for the patch, it makes us feel like we are able to accomplish what we set our mind to (at least for the forum ^^). Lastly, let us know if you tried to incorporate a suggestion into the game (say, separating the Turkish culture), but it just didn't work out, so we know you tried for us, and did what you could
.Another way is to add in a polling system into the suggestion forums. If you see suggestions you personally see enhancing EU4, find out if the community thinks that too! If you have little time to look closer at a suggestion, or can't respond, compile a list of ones that seem interesting and ask the community for help to see if they want it in the game. An example:
"Hey, @Trin Tragula here (How does Trin talk usually?), today we have some great ideas from you guys that we Devs would like to consider. What do you guys think?"
(In real poll form)
"Add Greek cores once Byzanitum Cores Expire:
yes: 37
no: 23
Add provinces and flavour to the Balkans:
yes: 15
no: 40
Remove French core on Labourd and Bordeaux:
yes: 2
no: 89
Add Slovenian Culture and new provinces/countries in Austria:
yes: 63
no: 60"
I hope this is seriously thought over and sincerely considered by the Developers, to bring better communication between you and the community.
Thank you.
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