Most of the monthly incomes are fairly well spelled out. Where can I find info on the yearly income? Is it based off of the same numbers as the monthly?
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Azgir:
Your best bet is to look in one of the FAQs; Oranje and Huzsics have both written excellent ones, and they help tremendously.
Ciao!
Paul
Your best bet is to look in one of the FAQs; Oranje and Huzsics have both written excellent ones, and they help tremendously.
Ciao!
Paul
Actually, Huzsics FAQ doesn't cover this and Oranje's FAQ is incorrect on this issue.
It appears that the wad of cash you get on January 1 comes from Census Tax only - based on Province Tax and Stability. ALL other income you get is on a per month basis.
Edit: Census Tax is listed in the ledger.
It appears that the wad of cash you get on January 1 comes from Census Tax only - based on Province Tax and Stability. ALL other income you get is on a per month basis.
Edit: Census Tax is listed in the ledger.
It appears that the wad of cash you get on January 1 comes from Census Tax only
Correct AFAIK.
Btw, the reason there isn't a very much mentioned about economy in my FAQ is becourse it's very complicated and extreemly hard to really understand why things work as they do. Thus I have avoided saying anything since there would be a good chence it would be wrong =(.
Correct AFAIK.
Btw, the reason there isn't a very much mentioned about economy in my FAQ is becourse it's very complicated and extreemly hard to really understand why things work as they do. Thus I have avoided saying anything since there would be a good chence it would be wrong =(.
Yes I agree but you could put in a percentage of correctness.
For this case I'd say that this info has a 95% chance of being correct.
For this case I'd say that this info has a 95% chance of being correct.
Huszics: LOL
Page 59 of the North American manual covers annual income.
It is a bit vague, but helps give you a pretty good picture.
I found in those "non-eventful" 3-6 year periods it can be helpful to watch the (monthly) income window and at 30DEC/)1JAN watch the annual income amounts. I learned a bit doing this, mostly it seems what I've learned is intuitive for that country (effects of upgrades, factories, sending merchants etc.)
Page 59 of the North American manual covers annual income.
It is a bit vague, but helps give you a pretty good picture.
I found in those "non-eventful" 3-6 year periods it can be helpful to watch the (monthly) income window and at 30DEC/)1JAN watch the annual income amounts. I learned a bit doing this, mostly it seems what I've learned is intuitive for that country (effects of upgrades, factories, sending merchants etc.)
Yeah, I know it's in the manual. Too bad most of it is incorrect though =)
As been said Only the census tax seem to end up as yearly income and merchants also just give 3 D per year (added with 0.25 D montly).
Okay, got it -census tax only for annual income.
The 3d for merchants (if you own a CoT) this is given monthly (.25d per month)?
The 3d for merchants (if you own a CoT) this is given monthly (.25d per month)?
Right, I assume it counts the number of merchants in the CoT at the end of the month and gives you that times .25d. So, if merchants come and go during the month they may not have to pay. Or is it that each merchant that enters the CoT has to pay as soon as he does? It's not that big of a deal I suppose...
Also note that the ledger mentions something called "Tolls". I'm pretty certain this is what is called "Trade Taxes" when you hover the cursor over the left hand circled number in a province. Trade Taxes as well as Production Income are covered somewhat in Huzsics' FAQ.
Census Tax should equal Province Tax if your stability was +3 all year; otherwise it gets reduced. Probably averages your stability throughout the year.
Also note that the ledger mentions something called "Tolls". I'm pretty certain this is what is called "Trade Taxes" when you hover the cursor over the left hand circled number in a province. Trade Taxes as well as Production Income are covered somewhat in Huzsics' FAQ.
Census Tax should equal Province Tax if your stability was +3 all year; otherwise it gets reduced. Probably averages your stability throughout the year.
Gentlemen:
There are so many different variables when dealing with your economy that it would take forever just to figure it out; better to go with a rough number and move on.....
Almost everything affects the economy, (stability and pirates come to mind), so if you can get a ball park figure and work with it, I think it would make the game play better instead of figuring out where every last ducat in your economy came from (IMHO). What do y'all think??
Ciao,
Paul
There are so many different variables when dealing with your economy that it would take forever just to figure it out; better to go with a rough number and move on.....
Almost everything affects the economy, (stability and pirates come to mind), so if you can get a ball park figure and work with it, I think it would make the game play better instead of figuring out where every last ducat in your economy came from (IMHO). What do y'all think??
Ciao,
Paul
If you've got vassals, your Province Tax will be higher than your Census Tax though. (this is my experience at least, correct me if I'm wrong)
Census Tax should equal Province Tax if your stability was +3 all year; otherwise it gets reduced. Probably averages your stability throughout the year.
Census Tax get's it's stab modifier at the turn of the year.
Province Tax get's it's stab modifier at the turn of the month.
if you've got vassals, your Province Tax will be higher than your Census Tax though. (this is my experience at least, correct me if I'm wrong)
Hmm, didn't know that. Thanks for the tip. Would be nice though if you confirm it (won't get into my FAQ before that anyway).
Census Tax get's it's stab modifier at the turn of the year.
Province Tax get's it's stab modifier at the turn of the month.
if you've got vassals, your Province Tax will be higher than your Census Tax though. (this is my experience at least, correct me if I'm wrong)
Hmm, didn't know that. Thanks for the tip. Would be nice though if you confirm it (won't get into my FAQ before that anyway).
Right, I assume it counts the number of merchants in the CoT at the end of the month and gives you that times .25d. So, if merchants come and go during the month they may not have to pay. Or is it that each merchant that enters the CoT has to pay as soon as he does? It's not that big of a deal I suppose...
I would suspect it's checked at the turn of the month, but do check and come back and tell us all =)
Also note that the ledger mentions something called "Tolls". I'm pretty certain this is what is called "Trade Taxes" when you hover the cursor over the left hand circled number in a province.
Yes, pretty stupid not to use the same name everyhere though, just leads to confusion
I would suspect it's checked at the turn of the month, but do check and come back and tell us all =)
Also note that the ledger mentions something called "Tolls". I'm pretty certain this is what is called "Trade Taxes" when you hover the cursor over the left hand circled number in a province.
Yes, pretty stupid not to use the same name everyhere though, just leads to confusion
I don't think vassals actually change YOUR monthly province income. I believe your monthly income is higher because you're getting your share of the vassals' monthly income.
From what I've seen, you get some of the vassals monthly income, but not the yearly. Isn't this other players' experience also? I've been operating under this assumption, since it makes vassals seem more attractive than annexation, in many cases, from a research standpoint - you get a significant boost to research income, but no extra provinces to spread it over. I'd appreciate knowing if my observations are wrong.
From what I've seen, you get some of the vassals monthly income, but not the yearly. Isn't this other players' experience also? I've been operating under this assumption, since it makes vassals seem more attractive than annexation, in many cases, from a research standpoint - you get a significant boost to research income, but no extra provinces to spread it over. I'd appreciate knowing if my observations are wrong.
Well, I can't be 100% sure, but my province income is about 20% or so higher than my census tax in my current GC where I have 4 vassals. This is when I am at +3 stab all the time, so i figured that the only thing that could cause this was that half of the vassals tax income went into my province income. (And I didn't notice this before I got the vassals.)
Yes, that is what I mean. Half of the vassals' monthly income (at least it's tax income) is given to me, which is why my province income (as shown in the ledger) for one year is higher than my census tax.
This is exactly my experience.
Thanks a bunch.
Will try to find out the actual values (guessing 50% of the porv income) and add it to the FAQ.
Yes, this appears to be the case. The Vasaller gets 50% of the Vasallees Province Tax on a monthly basis. This usually results in Census Tax being less than Province Tax for the year. Now, could anyone verify that the Vasallee actually loses 50% of the Province Tax? I tried Sweden once and didn't notice a reduction as I recall.