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GhostDanny

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Are ridiculous...

Which only happens, because the vassal that conquerored them, didn't tribalize their county.
And I can't do it, because it's owned by my vassal!
 
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Worse still, it can happen multiple times with the same county for as long as they're still a nomadic county!

Once I even had them rebel, right after stopping the previous one!
 
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This is pretty much Pechenegs settled in Byzantine Empire (which PDX didn’t give us when they really could’ve) rebelling over and over again, except Pecheneg revolts would be on the level of barony instead of a county.

I’d say it is unintentional historical accuracy, be glad for it in a game that gets little of it.
 
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It's not ridiculous on it's own, peasant revolts do that all the time, what makes them ridiculous is how many troops they get even if it's just 1 county. It legit kills the AI sometimes. And sure, one county nomad revolt should be scarier than 1 county peasant rebellion, but it's just too much.
 
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It's not ridiculous on it's own, peasant revolts do that all the time, what makes them ridiculous is how many troops they get even if it's just 1 county. It legit kills the AI sometimes. And sure, one county nomad revolt should be scarier than 1 county peasant rebellion, but it's just too much.
Tonnes of men at arms spawn for them too and the general has between 20 and 30 marshal, even populist rebels arent this powerful. Your tributaries will lose to them all the same time, then you need to make the new ruler a tributary.
 
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Tonnes of men at arms spawn for them too and the general has between 20 and 30 marshal, even populist rebels arent this powerful. Your tributaries will lose to them all the same time, then you need to make the new ruler a tributary.
Hey that is exactly like some of the revolts of Byzantine Pechenegs, which we didn't get. First of the revolts was some 15.000 warriors (perhaps also their families) that Emperor Constantine Monomachos decided to move east against the Seljuks, but after crossing the bosphorus, they decided that they would prefer not to go east and all of a sudden, you have a revolt in your hands. Emperor also handled it terribly, resulting in the only Pecheneg leader that was actually loyal to him (Ioannes Kegen, though it was due to his own interests) dying and years of war.
 
Hey that is exactly like some of the revolts of Byzantine Pechenegs, which we didn't get. First of the revolts was some 15.000 warriors (perhaps also their families) that Emperor Constantine Monomachos decided to move east against the Seljuks, but after crossing the bosphorus, they decided that they would prefer not to go east and all of a sudden, you have a revolt in your hands. Emperor also handled it terribly, resulting in the only Pecheneg leader that was actually loyal to him (Ioannes Kegen, though it was due to his own interests) dying and years of war.
But the byz were a settled society, where conflicts between pastoralists suddenly arriving past fortified land and farmers will break out, not across the vast steppe once you seize the lands of another tribe. Nomad vassals of settled rulers is basically only a start date set up thing
 
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But the byz were a settled society, where conflicts between pastoralists suddenly arriving past fortified land and farmers will break out, not across the vast steppe once you seize the lands of another tribe
No, they were mainly settled in empty lands. Tyrach's Pechenegs were settled in deserted lands around Naissos, Serdica and Eutzoplon. But Byzantines being settled is indeed part of the Pecheneg revolts because they were initially forced to be settled in land unsuitable to their lifestyle. Kegen's Pechenegs were settled somewhere around Dorostorum and their land, at least the land some of them settled were better.

We have like 2 tribes known with name (Belemarnis/Belerman and Pagoumanis/Bajman) and at least 3 more seperate locations known (Serdica, Eutzoplon, Naissos) to be settled by other tribes though their names aren't known and we don't get a single Pecheneg in Byzantine Empire. Not to mention Alakasseus family of Pecheneg origin that's been around since Emperor Tzimiskes' reign and still around in 1066 (can't recall 1178). Nope, all of Byzantine Empire must be Greek and Greek alone. God forbid we may get some flavor that is also historically accurate.
 
Tonnes of men at arms spawn for them too and the general has between 20 and 30 marshal, even populist rebels arent this powerful. Your tributaries will lose to them all the same time, then you need to make the new ruler a tributary.
oh yeah and they also spawn a over9000 total stats characters, how could i forget that!
 
Are ridiculous...

Which only happens, because the vassal that conquerored them, didn't tribalize their county.
And I can't do it, because it's owned by my vassal!
Anything which stops Byzatines from blobbing into the steppe (which sadly sometimes still happens) I 100% support! Make it even easier for the rebels to break free against empires so byzantine blobbing happens even less. Or nerf the Byzantine vassals‘ expansion casus belli!
 
Anything which stops Byzatines from blobbing into the steppe (which sadly sometimes still happens) I 100% support! Make it even easier for the rebels to break free against empires so byzantine blobbing happens even less. Or nerf the Byzantine vassals‘ expansion casus belli!

Or maybe just make it happen to the Byzantines?
As it's a much bigger clash between the very settled Greeks and the nomadic nomads of the Steppe, than between the Nomads and some tribal empire (I was playing as the empire of Russia created under Rurik the trouble maker).