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It's a classic really. Basically, some muslums blow up a russian oil refinery and fuk there economy up.so, they invade germany. i wont build this from the ground up, it will prolly be from MDS 1.6. it will be changed alot but u get the idea. anyways, i gotta ask killerrabbit for permission but he'll prolly say yes.
 
It's an interesting idea. I hope you will be successful in your efforts to create this mod. I am not a modder but i can help as a tester. I love history and i read a lot, maybe i can help as an advisor. Of course you don't need much help about history because this will be an alternate historical mod. I saw a lot of mod ideas about Cold War like Brink of War mod but these mods are dead. I would like to play a third world war mod. Good luck!
 
1 -- spell correctly, Muslim and fuck are not that hard to spell the correct way.

2 -- why make this thread before the new version of MDS is out, you won't be able to do work until then.
 
brainstorming.

The tech tree will be a combo of MDS and Cold War. ill write the events. models will be the 90< of MDS. units will either be ground up or cold war.

so for some events (these aint in code yet)

Code: 
id: x1
SU
name: Terrorist Attack
description: 3 muslim terrorists blew up 1 of our major oil refineries. our economy will be crippled if it doesnt fall apart. we cant sell oil anymore and thousands will starve because we cant buy the grain we need. 

a: fuck

oil: -2000 (of 6000)
money: -500 (of 750)
dissent: +1
trigger x2

Code: 
id: x2
SU
name: attack plan
description: we must attack, there is no alternative. we can use Zhukov 4 which is a 48 hour mobalization or we can fully mobalize whuch will take 6 months and the west may detect us but we will be many times more powerful.

a: Full Mobalization

+5 org (will lead to another event right before the attack, which will give the full effects)

sleep x3

b: Zhukov 4

+5 org
+2 morale
+2 dissent

sleep x4 and x5

Code: 
id: x3
name: Zhukov 4
SU
description: the time is now. we will go with Zhukov 4. FOR THE MOTHERLAND!

a: ATTACK!

+15 suprise chance
war with NATO

Code: 
id: x4
name: Mobalization
SU
date: June 1st
description: comrade, we are almost ready. the officers are much better leaders, the men are better soldiers, the pilots are better pilots. in 2 weeks, we will finally be ready but i fear the west may catch on...

a: This is good

3 towards standing army
+10 org
+9 morale
3 new mechanized divisions on the border

Code: 
id: x5
name: reports on full Soviet mobalization
USA, UK, W. Germany, France
date: June 11th
description: our agents tell us that the Soviets are mobalizing, fully. we also have reports that they are pulling crack A. units out of Afganistan and replacing them with C. units (reservists with old equipment). they could be planning an attack.

a: Mobalize!

+10 dissent
+5 org
+5 morale

b: it could just be an exercise. they have their rights.
 no effect
 
id: x6
SU
name: the time has come!
date: june 14th
description: we have mobalized for 6th months and we are finally ready to attack. we can still back down but we will totally be fucked if we do.

a: attack (100 percent chance)

war with NATO.
+5% suprise chance
dissent -2 (the fake terrorist attack)

b: back down and be fucked

+35 dissent
 
Mr._Blitzkrieg said:
It's a classic really. Basically, some muslums blow up a russian oil refinery and fuk there economy up.so, they invade germany. i wont build this from the ground up, it will prolly be from MDS 1.6. it will be changed alot but u get the idea. anyways, i gotta ask killerrabbit for permission but he'll prolly say yes.
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So instead of returning fire against the Muslims, the Russians decide to invade Germany?
 
Chicken said:
So instead of returning fire against the Muslims, the Russians decide to invade Germany?
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That the Russian economy could be destroyed by having a single refinery put out of work - and that the solution to lack of oil is to spend oil on a World War III - requires more suspense of disbelief.
 
rmdsc said:
That the Russian economy could be destroyed by having a single refinery put out of work - and that the solution to lack of oil is to spend oil on a World War III - requires more suspense of disbelief.
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I would suggest actually reading the book before criticising its premise. Basically, it's a calculated gamble on the part of the USSR. They need oil, ergo, they need to take the mideast's oil by invasion. It's assumed that the NATO nations won't sit still for ian invasion of the mideast, ergo they need to knock NATO out before they can turn to the mideast. Destroy your worst enemy first, then turn at your leisure to the mideast without western interference.

Umm, where have we seen this historically...? How about Japan's strategic calculations leading to war with the US in WW2. Spend oil temporarily in order to gain access to much greater loads of it, when the US cuts off oil supplies to the Japanese pre-war.

As for the single refinery, it's actually an pipeline hub as well as the refinery, and supposedly the largest in the USSR.

Suspension of disbelief, yes, but not nearly so much as you make out.
 
Looking forward to this. Is there going to be year or two build-up time or does the war start right up?
 
mdlusk said:
I would suggest actually reading the book before criticising its premise. Basically, it's a calculated gamble on the part of the USSR. They need oil, ergo, they need to take the mideast's oil by invasion. It's assumed that the NATO nations won't sit still for ian invasion of the mideast, ergo they need to knock NATO out before they can turn to the mideast. Destroy your worst enemy first, then turn at your leisure to the mideast without western interference.

Umm, where have we seen this historically...? How about Japan's strategic calculations leading to war with the US in WW2. Spend oil temporarily in order to gain access to much greater loads of it, when the US cuts off oil supplies to the Japanese pre-war.

As for the single refinery, it's actually an pipeline hub as well as the refinery, and supposedly the largest in the USSR.

Suspension of disbelief, yes, but not nearly so much as you make out.
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I do understand the idea behind it, even if I haven't read the details. But look at it this way: the largest refinery in the world currently has a daily production capacity of 950k barrels a day (several times bigger than any Rusian refinery). Last year Russia exported well over 5 times that number each day.

Even if we suppose that the alternate Soviet Union made the illogical, impractical, uneconomical and strategically suicidal decision to refine all their oil in one place, the premise is still unbelievable. The overwhelming majority of the world's refining capacity is located outside the Middle East, so how is invading ME going to solve the Soviet's refininery problem?

And Japan's situtaion is hardly comparable here. Japan had no oil to speak of; it had to seize some production centres so that when war comes, their military wouldn't have to just surrender. Russia is flooded with crude oil; why take the risk of war when you can just build another refinery? If the Soviets have enough oil reserves to conduct a World War, then obviously there's enough to keep the economy going long enough for another refinery to become operational. It's not like the American economy collapsed under the Arab oil embargo anyway.

Interestingly, that crises took months before its effects were felt.
 
Oil Production

I you really want to simulate what the book said about oil don't hit the stockpile. Reduce the actual daily output of both oil and energy to a negative number. This will force the Soviet player to either break his economy or go to war. Make sure you give him enough to function for 6 to 8 months of peace plus a few weeks at war footing.
 
rmdsc said:
I do understand the idea behind it, even if I haven't read the details. But look at it this way: the largest refinery in the world currently has a daily production capacity of 950k barrels a day (several times bigger than any Rusian refinery). Last year Russia exported well over 5 times that number each day.

Even if we suppose that the alternate Soviet Union made the illogical, impractical, uneconomical and strategically suicidal decision to refine all their oil in one place, the premise is still unbelievable. The overwhelming majority of the world's refining capacity is located outside the Middle East, so how is invading ME going to solve the Soviet's refininery problem?

And Japan's situtaion is hardly comparable here. Japan had no oil to speak of; it had to seize some production centres so that when war comes, their military wouldn't have to just surrender. Russia is flooded with crude oil; why take the risk of war when you can just build another refinery? If the Soviets have enough oil reserves to conduct a World War, then obviously there's enough to keep the economy going long enough for another refinery to become operational. It's not like the American economy collapsed under the Arab oil embargo anyway.

Interestingly, that crises took months before its effects were felt.
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Very good arguments to dismiss a very propagandic book (like in "written by George W") - and the issue of invading the middle east instead of rebuilding a refinery isn't the only illogical issues in it... I surely don't think it has any merit to be transferred to a scenario!
George_Bush_FTW said:
um, the guy got banned. i think its time to lock this thread.
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Good idea! /M
 
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Now I'm not one for blatant advertising, but since the thread starter went and got himself banned, and since it's pretty similar to this mod...

Check out the MDS2 Cold War alternate history add-on, similar premise as Red Storm but makes more sense, and is set in the modern day. Also! The USSR doesn't jump on crazy trains of logic in it. And! No crazy political bias.

http://www.takeforum.com/mds2/index.php?mforum=mds2/

Give it a look, we're currently tossing around some ideas about the set-up/storyline, but we've got some work done, so feel free to come in and contribute any ideas you have.
 
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