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I realize the Pope isn't generally considered to be in the market for a wife ;) but is there a built-in restriction against gaining a Royal Marriage status with the Papal States in the game? No matter how many times I try, I can never succeed in that, which can be a problem when I didn't get to the Missions scroll fast enough and my monarch assigned me that as a task!

If it simply can't be done, I think removing that mission would be an excellent plan!
 
You lose was it 2 or 3 victory points anyway, so no big deal.
Royal marriage with Papal States... only option seems to marry pope himself or some cardinals. :p
 
There were quite a few Popes with a mistress or two on the side. Maybe you're supposed to be playing procurer with a royal niece. ;)

In any case, you're right: it's hardly a crushing penalty you receive for failing to establish somebody as Mrs. Pontiff.
 
actually, if memory serves, wasn't there a Borgia pope that was married, had a daughter and rumors had it he was involved with her?
 
I find the impossibility not really founded. Not because of mistresses but because of great families which played a great role in papal affairs and election. It should be possible to ally with them.
 
Yes, I believe you're correct. The daughter wasn't Lucretia, was it? I seem to recall something about the matter from a bio on her.
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that's her, Lucretia, now I remember where I saw it, it was an insert in my French version of Maciavelli's 'The Prince'

Pretty sick familly those Borgias :D
 
nasty old pope marrying off his men and women of the cloth

So if the AAR is correct, just WHO was the pope sending off as 'royal heirs', members of his elite Swiss guard perhaps?

Seems kind of silly when you consider it. Seems to me an appropriate way to handle this is to either eliminate the option of a royal marriage involving the papacy or to slightly revise (rename) all of the diplomatic options at your disposal. Money given to the pope would be a tithe or donation. A royal marriage might be a professed acceptance of faith or even some abstract commitment to take arms for the one true church in the battle for the holy land. This wouldn't require an actual commitment of troops to a 'crusade' but could result in an enhanced diplomatic state between country 'A' and the catholic church which would have the same effect on the game engine as a royal marriage, just under a different name. This would work for those playing the papacy as well as the pope could actively solicit such commitments from the royal houses of europe.
 
Originally posted by Jim Winsor
I seem to remember over in the AAR section, a game where someone was playing the Papacy. And he was doing lots of Royal Marriages. So, if thats accurate, the Papacy can enter RM's as long as they are the ones proposing.
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The AAR is a old one, dating back to early beat stage, when marriage with Papal State was possible
 
I must have missed that reference in the manual. At least it looks like my instincts were correct on how to handle the abstract concept of a papal royal marriage.
 
Yes, but it still doesn't seem possible to get them to agree to it in the game. And, thus, impossible to ally with them as well. This should be changed, IMO, to make it possible to form some kind of diplomatic bond that could springboard into an alliance.
 
Conjugal pontiff.

Pope Alexander VI (Rodrigo Borgia), who had many children, arranged several marriages for his daughters, especially Lucrezia. He was Pope from 1492 until 1503.

Many Popes were married and had children. Alexander VI made his eighteen-year-old son Cesare a Cardinal, who was a major player in the Papal States for many years after his father’s death.

Popes often arranged diplomatic marriages for their nephews, nieces, cousins, etc., especially since many were from famous families, such as the de Medicis or the aforementioned Borgias, veritable royalty.
 
Soldiers of Christ arise, and put your armor on...

Side note: Julius II was a skillful warrior. He was an excellent general and, armed and armored, personally led his troops into battle.

Increase his Fire and Shock values in the leaders.pap file for more realism. I recommend giving him 2-2 in those categories; 3-1 would also be reasonable, or even 3-2.
 
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