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Russia and the Ottomans historical rivals

Compieuter · 2017-01-09T11:00:56+00:00

On the EU4 subreddit there was a discussion about an alliance between Russia, France and the Ottomans. For an Ethiopia player this would make the game very difficult and some suggested that Muscovy/Russia and the Ottomans should have a historical rival modifier to prevent this unholy alliance. But there was some criticism on this because historically Russia/Muscovy and the Ottomans only became came into conflict in the late 16th century and it heated up in the 18th century. So giving Muscovy and the Ottomans a historical rival modifier in 1444 would be ahistorical and inpractical because the Ottomans can't even see all of Muscovy at the start of the game. But I suggested a solution for this 'problem': the historical rival modifier will only come into effect when Muscovy (or another russian nation for that matter) forms Russia (or Ruthenia). The AI ussualy takes at least 100 years to do this so this would prevent the historical rival position between the Ottomans and a nation that is far away and maybe even be invisible to them. This will make it more 'historical' and it would better balance the overpowered position of the Ottoman empire. Furthermore the changing of the historical rival modifier isn't unprecedented as Sweden and Denmark become historical rivals after an event and if I recal corectly Portugal and Spain can also lose it by event. Link to the reddit thread: https://redd.it/5ms264 TLDR: Forming Russia should set the nation as a historical rival to the Ottomans.

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Start date Jan 9, 2017

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Trin Tragula

Design Lead - Crusader Kings 3

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Jan 10, 2017

Historical rivals aim for the total anhilition of each other. I fear all games would end up with either the ottomans in Russia or Russia in Anatolia if we did this.
I am not at all sure the game would benefit from it

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