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There are no good maps made about Hundreds and Scandinavia, the best maps can be found on this site...
Old Historical Maps

or in the books by John Kraft
*Hednagudar och hövdingadömen i det gamla Skandinavien
*Tidiga spår av Sveariket
*ledungen och sockenbildningen

or on this site if you are interested in Denmark
Denmark

If you are interested even more!
about the Nordic Familiybook
Nordic Familybook on the internet
More maps; nice maps about all härad

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I have only read Hednagudar och hövdingadömen but in February i shall read Early trace of Sweden also.
In the first book he tell us how the culture where placed in the scandinavia and in the second he tell us which nation who owned the culture.

If you are interested to join this project i will be happy! The map will be implemented in to a mod; the name of this mod is Scandza. But i think we could change that name! Well this mod are going to be historical!
 
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This map use the Hundred provinces!

hundred is an administrative division, frequently used in Europe and New England, which historically was used to divide a larger region into smaller geographical units. The name is derived from the number one hundred and it may once have referred to a hundred men under arms. It was a traditional Germanic system described as early as AD 98 by Tacitus (the centeni).

In the Scandinavian countries hundreds were used in Sweden (with Finland), Norway and Denmark.

In older Sweden (Svealand), the division was called Hundare like the English Hundred, but in Denmark and Norway and sweden it was called (dan) herred, (swe) härad (nor) Herad. Eventually that division was superseded by introducing the härad also in Svealand.

Hundreds were not organized in Norrland, i.e. the northern sparsely populated part of Sweden. It is possible that hundreds were organised in Finland even in pre-Christian times (i.e. before annexation by Sweden.

Counties in Delaware, New Jersey and Pennsylvania were divided into hundreds in the seventeenth century, in imitation of the British system. They survive in Delaware, and were used as tax reporting and voting districts until the 1960s, but now serve no administrative role, their only current official legal use being in real-estate title descriptions.

In England a hundred was the division of a shire for administrative, military and judicial purposes under the common law. Originally, when introduced by the Saxons between 613 and 1017, a hundred had enough land to sustain approximately one hundred households headed by a hundred-man or hundred eolder. He was responsible for administration, justice, and supplying military troops, as well as leading its forces. The office was not hereditary, but by the 10th century the office was selected from among a few outstanding families.

Hundreds gradually dropped out of administrative usage, and by the 19th century several different single-purpose subdivisions of counties, such as Poor Law Unions, rural sanitary districts, and Parliamentary divisions, sprung up, filling the administrative role they had previously played. Hundreds have never been formally abolished.

Hundred are now used by Finland which have created new hundreds for there Nation.
And by Sweden which have created new Hundreds in Norrland.
 
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Layer ID: HUNDRED: LEN:
1 Skyds herred Malmøhus len
2 Vemmenhøjs herred Malmøhus len
3 Oksie herred Malmøhus len
4 Bare herred Malmøhus len
5 Torne herred Malmøhus len
6 Harjagers herred Malmøhus len
7 Luggude herred Malmøhus len
8 Onsø herred Malmøhus len
9 Froste herred Malmøhus len
10 Fers herred Malmøhus len
141 Lynids herred Malmøhus len
142 Rønnebergs herrad Malmøhus len
11 Herrested herred Malmøhus len
12 Ingelsted herred Kristiansted len
13 Jerrested herred Kristiansted len
14 Albo herred Kristiansted len
15 Gers herred Kristiansted len
16 Villands herred Kristiansted len
17 Østre Gøinge herred Kristiansted len
18 Vestre Gøinge herred Kristiansted len
19 Norra Åsbo herred Kristiansted len
20 Sødra Åsbo herred Kristiansted len
21 Bjerge herred Kristiansted len
22 Høgs Herred Hallands len
23 Tønnersø herred Hallands len
24 Halmstad herred Hallands len
25 Årstad herred Hallands len
26 Favrås herred Hallands len
27 Himle herred Hallands len
28 Viske herred Hallands len
29 Fjære herred Hallands len
30 Lister herred Blekinge len
31 Bregne herred Blekinge len
32 Medelsted herred Blekinge len
33 Østre herred Blekinge len

I am using the Danish language for Blekinge, Skåne and Halland.
So please correct me if there are any wrong in the text!

Layer ID: HUNDRED: LEN:
122 Bullarens herad Båhuslen
x Frækne herad Båhuslen
x Nodre herad Båhuslen
x Sødre herad Båhuslen
x Torpe herad Båhuslen
x Kville herad Båhuslen
x Lane herad Båhuslen
130 Orusts Væstra herad Båhuslen
131 Orusts Østra herad Båhuslen
x Sotenäs herad Båhuslen
x Stångenæs herad Båhuslen
x Sørbygdens herad Båhuslen
124 Tanums herad Båhuslen
x Tjørns herad Båhuslen
x Tunge herad Båhuslen
123 Vette herad Båhuslen
x Væstra Hisings herad Båhuslen

Herjedalen
x Svegs herad (South Herjedalen) Jemtlands len
x Hede herad (North Herjedalen) Jemtlands len

Jemtland
x Bergs herad (South Jemtland) Jemtlands len
x Ovikens herad (South of Storsjön) Jemtlands len
x Hallens herad (South of Storsjön) Jemtlands len
x Undersåker herad (Western Jemtland) Jemtlands len
x Offerdals herad (Western Jemtland) Jemtlands len
x Lits herad (North of Storsjön) Jemtlands len
x Rødøns herad (North of Storsjön) Jemtlands len
x Hammerdals herad (Northern Jemtland) Jemtlands len
x Ragunda herad (Eastern Jemtland) Jemtlands len
x Revsund herad (East of Storsjön) Jemtlands len
x Brunflo herad (East of Storsjön) Jemtlands len
x Næs herad (East of Storsjön)) Jemtlands len

I am using the Norwegian language for Bohuslen and Jæmtlands len.
So please correct me if there are any wrong in the text!
 
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While I still think this deserves an "OMFG!" (at least if going by that map of England you linked to...), this still appears to be a vastly more realistic project than that other one... Hopefully this will not die. ;)
 
Kaigon said:

Thanks for the link, but I am sorry to tell you that I have already seen that Map project for many months ago.
And Deallus he self said that the Map are not historical, but the map I are making are built on historical facts!

And Scandinavia Ultimatus are a much different project then this project.
Scandiavia Ultimatus use the Kommunes system.
While this map are using the old Germanic system before the Vikings where ever know about.
 
anti_strunt said:
While I still think this deserves an "OMFG!" (at least if going by that map of England you linked to...), this still appears to be a vastly more realistic project than that other one... Hopefully this will not die. ;)

Well! Its hard to do a historical map, much easier to do a kommunes system map. But Sweden are already finished, only need to be painted in to the game. When Sweden are included to the game i can release it as a Beta.
 
Great work! I appreciate and am impressed by the historical and scholarly work you have put into this. :)
 
Olaus Petrus said:
Maps of the region and name of the tribes in which period? Giving a century would be usefull. If you start from the time of Tacitus, then I say that no good maps have been made from that period. And Tacitus or later Jordanes aren't most trustworthy writers when they describe tribes of the North.

This quote are from Olaus Petrus before christmas, And it hurts me.
Answear: Jordanes are not the only people who have writed about the scandinavia.
And there are nice map made about this timeline, but they are hard to find.

AKjeldsen said:
I hope you're aware that you'll never find anything historically correct from that period, assuming it even happened at all. I'd suggest just making something up.

This also hurts me.
Answear: And what have i found on this weeks??? much more then i thout i could find. And much are left to discover!
 
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I could think of being a part of this project. Not that i know about making maps and all that but maybe i could be of some help in finding information. At least it would be fun to be a part of something like this. My ICQ is 303-119-418.
 
Information about shilds removed, to hard to translate from swedish. :(

I will post picture on shields in steed of text. :)

(Edited) much left to do before Sweden is finished, the picture only shows the IDs color!
Borders; finished
IDs; still few fhings to correct: 2/3 of Sweden
Shading; not started on
Province.csv; not started on
 
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What about religons? How about split the asa faith into Tor, Oden and Frej. Tor for war, Frej for production and Oden for technology. Then could we also have catholosism, protestantism, some old german religon, druid religon (for england) and perhaps a roman religon (since it was a roman who brought the hundred system).
 
Gamlasemlan said:
What about religons? How about split the asa faith into Tor, Oden and Frej. Tor for war, Frej for production and Oden for technology. Then could we also have catholosism, protestantism, some old german religon, druid religon (for england) and perhaps a roman religon (since it was a roman who brought the hundred system).

Well if it are historical, we can do that!
I am not so good on germanic religion so you all can enlighten me about it!
I only know that in the fornnordic mythology tell us about two faith.

The two faith and there guds!
Asa: Oden, Tor
Vaner: Njord, Frej, Freja (Vanadis)

Well the game are going to start when the western Roman Empire whitdraw there tropps from England and the Germanic Tribes beginn to crusade all over northern Europe. And then they create the Kingdoms of Sweden, Denmark, Norway, England.
The Romans used Catholosism so that can also be used. But i don't know what religion the celts used.

Where have you found prof that it where the Roman who brought the Germanic province system to England?

I am not good on translate things in to English and what i know, there are only scandinavian which are interested in this mod. So i have linked two site to this text.
http://susning.nu/Vaner http://susning.nu/Asar
 
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I think you forgot Loke, (he was evil so I dont know) Balder, Heimdall, Völund, Siv, Idun, Hel and some more to.

But I dont think we should have separate religions for the Asa faith. Because they believed in ALL OF THEM and the majority of those who believed in them believed in both christianity and the Asa faith they were unsure of which to believe in!

BTW the Asa faith was as good as dead in the time EU2 starts if you mean the mod is going to start then (but I doubt it as you took this up).
 
I've searched on wikipedia on germanic and celtic religions. This is what I found:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germanic_mythology

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celtic_mythology

If you mean to begin the game when the western roman empire falls there will be no need for a roman religion (As the empire falled 476 A.D. and it were christianised 325 A.D. by constantine the great) unless there could be that some germanic tribe took the roman religion to them. This could be a choise for the player who plays in northern germany.