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Hello, everybody. I am Canadian_95_RTS, and I am GM of a forum game called Secret Hitler. Secret Hitler is a card game for 5-10 players designed by Max Temkin, Mike Boxleiter, and Tommy Maranges, not dissimilar from Resistance.

Secret Hitler is a dramatic game of political intrigue and betrayal originally set in 1930's Germany. Players are secretly divided into two teams – liberals and fascists (Trump Supporters). Known only to each other, the Fascists coordinate to sow distrust and install their cold-blooded leader. The liberals must find and stop the Secret Hitler before it’s too late.


Each round, players elect a President and a Chancellor (Vice President) who will work together to enact a law from a random deck. If the government passes a fascist law, players must try to figure out if they were betrayed or simply unlucky. Secret Hitler also features government powers that come into play as fascism advances. The fascists will use those powers to create chaos unless liberals can pull the nation back from the brink of war.


This game will be set in an alternative version of the 2016 election and its aftermath, with several dangerous characters coming into the public eye. Will democracy prevail? Will an evil tyrant come to power, throwing away rule of law and democracy to satisfy their own nefarious ends? Will America ever be great again? That, my friends, is up to you.


The Rules

At the beginning of the game, each player is randomly assigned to be a liberal or fascist, with one player assigned as Secret Trump. The Trump Supporters, at the beginning of the game, know who Trump is, and know who their fellow Trump Supporters are, but Trump does not know who the other fascists are.

The objective of the liberal team is to pass five liberal policies or assassinate Secret Trump.

The objective of the Pro-Trump team is to pass six fascist policies, or elect Secret Trump after three fascist policies have been passed.

Each round, a Presidential Candidate is selected from a predetermined order. The Presidential Candidate selects a Vice President. The chosen Vice President may not be a person from the previous ticket. Then the whole table votes "Aye!" or "Nay!" on their ticket; if a majority of players vote “Aye!,” the elected President and Vice President take the following actions to pass a new policy:

  • The President draws 3 policies from a random deck.
  • The President discards 1 policy and passes 2 to the Vice President.
  • The Vice President discards 1 policy and enacts the final one as law.
These policies are not shown to the group, so they only have the word of the Vice President or President, who are free to lie.

If a majority of players did not vote "Aye!", the next presidential candidate in sequence is given a chance to create a ticket. If three successive tickets fail to get voted in, the public takes matters into its own hands and enacts the policy on the top of the policy deck.

If a fascist policy passes, the President gains a new power that she must use immediately. These are dependent on the number of players, and depending on the track used, some may be used more than once, or not at all..

These are

Investigate Loyalty

The President investigates a player's party membership.


Call Special Election

The President chooses the next presidential candidate. The election process proceeds as normal, with the next person who would have been the candidate if the special election had not been called becoming the next presidential candidate.


Policy Peek

The president examines the next three policy cards.


Execution

The president executes one player.


Veto Power

Instead of enacting a policy given to him by the President, the Vice President may choose to veto the agenda. If the President consents, both policies are discarded and the and the Presidency passes as usual. If the President does not consent, the Vice President must enact one of the two policies.


STRATEGY NOTES

- Everyone should claim to be a liberal. Since the Liberal team has a voting majority, it can easily shut out anyone who reveals he is a Trump Supporter. Liberals who claim to be Trump Supporters put their team at a significant disadvantage.

- Although they have a majority, it’s extremely hard for the Liberals to win. They need to establish trust with one another and use their voting power to prevent the Trump Supporters from getting elected and using the special powers of the President.

- Pay careful attention to the position of players around the table and who’s going to be President next; you don’t want to be forced into a situation where you have to vote for a fascist ticket. The “special election” Presidential power is very powerful - make sure it doesn’t fall into the wrong hands!

- Trump Supporters should find a way to secretly signal their loyalty to Trump - this could include nonverbal communication or gameplay that protects Trump.

- In most cases, Trump will want to play as a staunch liberal - that way; the group will be amenable to installing him as Vice President later in the game.

- Trump Supporters want to investigate Trump early and name him as a liberal - this prevents a liberal President from outingTrump as a fascist. (GM NOTE: Because people are aware of this, this may also result in more suspicion put upon this person, so use with care.)

- After the third Fascist policy has been enacted, the Trump Supporters are poised to win the game by getting Trump elected Vice President. This is a very dangerous stage of the game for the Liberal team - the only way to know definitively if a player is Trump is to elect them Vice President and see if the game ends.

- If a Trump Supporter is president when the “kill” power is activated, he can eliminate a Liberal player under the guise of confusion. The Trump Supporters can win the game this way by gaining a voting majority and installing Trump as Vice President, or by rejecting Candidates until the board fills with fascist policies.


For this third game, this thread will act both as the signups and the game thread when the game starts. I will start in three days or when we have 12 people. If we have a large amount of interest, I may start another game. If we have less than 7 in two days, I will probably not start this for lack of interest, but I don't believe that will be a problem. Please feel free to tell me if you see something wrong with the rules, I mostly copied and pasted from last game.
 
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A few other notes from the regular rules. (Please Read)

- You are not allowed to PM other players. This could fundamentally alter the way the game is played, and will undoubtedly give some an unfair advantage. For this reason, PMs or out of game communication please. Furthermore, you are not allowed to screenshot role PMs.

- No Nazi ideology whatsoever. While this shouldn’t be much of an issue in this game like the others, I would still ask you to refrain from any Nazi ideology or symbols in this game, out of respect.

- Because this game is set in the modern day, more modern day issues will come into consideration, and will likely be roleplayed by players. While talking about modern day issues is acceptable, please avoid topics that would be banned in the OT thread. A full list can be found here: https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/off-topic-forum-rules-and-regulations.211993/

But the most relevant to this game will likely be:

- Israel/Palestine

- Ukraine/Russia

- Abortion

- Advocating Murder/Hate/Discrimination on an ethnic/religious/social group.

- Use/Legalization of drugs


- I will tend to give about a day, when I am able, for orders and votes. You are responsible for getting your votes in on time, with or without a reminder from me. Furthermore, if you are elected, you are responsible for giving me your results within a day of posting.

- If votes or orders are not given within the required time, the vote will be ignored, while I will go through the order instead. If this happens more than once, I will consider replacing you with someone who gets orders in on time.

- You are welcome to any (relevant) conversation in thread, as long as it’s appropriate.

- Just so there is no confusion, there are 6 liberal cards and 11 fascist cards in the deck.

- PM voting is mandatory, any votes made in thread will be ignored.

- You are welcome to role-play any current politician of a major political party, but if you choose not to, I will likely give you the name of a randomly generated politician for flavour. If you choose to roleplay a player-made politician, I will ask you to give their name and political orientation, as it helps me write flavour text.

- If you want to play Trump (regular Trump, not Secret Trump), again, you are welcome to it, but be sure to play him within the rules of the thread (no harassment, overt racism, etc.)



Good Luck!
 
Presidential Turn Order
Wayne Clarence Livingston Fitzpatrick (R, Nevada) (Jeray2000)
Randall Howard Paul (R, Kentucky) (Roplox) * Formerly Willard Mitt Romney (R, Massachusetts)
Elizabeth Ann Warren (D, Massachusetts) (Duke Dan "The Man") * Formerly Bernard Sanders (I, Vermont)
The Ghost of Dale Bartlett Stanton (R, Hell) (Health) * Formerly Dale Bartlett Stanton (R, Louisiana)
Martin Joseph O'Malley (D, Maryland) (Keynes2.0)
Marco Antonio Rubio (R, Florida) (LatinKaiser)
Leah Kaufman Carver McIntosh (D, Oregon) (Tornadoli, formerly Luftwafer)


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Liberal Policies Passed: 3

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Fascist Policies Passed: 2

Failed Election Counter: 0
 
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Election 1

Presidential Candidate: Wayne C. L. Fitzpatrick (jeray2000)
Vice Presidential Candidate: Marco Rubio (LatinKaiser)

Vote Results:
Wayne C. L. Fitzpatrick* (jeray2000): Aye!
Mitt Romney (Roplox): Aye!
Bernie Sanders (Duke Dan "The Man"): Nay!
Dale Stanton (Health): Aye!
Martin O'Malley (keynes2.0): Nay!
Marco Rubio (LatinKaiser): Aye!
Leah McIntosh** (Luftwafer): Aye!

This ticket passed with 71.43% of the vote.
A Liberal Policy was passed.


Election 2

Presidential Candidate: Mitt Romney (Roplox)
Vice Presidential Candidate: Dale Stanton (Health)

Wayne C. L. Fitzpatrick (jeray2000): Nay!
Mitt Romney* (Roplox): Aye!
Bernie Sanders (Duke Dan "The Man"): Nay!
Dale Stanton** (Health): Aye!
Martin O'Malley (keynes2.0): Nay!
Marco Rubio (LatinKaiser): Aye!
Leah McIntosh (Luftwafer): <Not Voted>

The ticket failed with 50% of the vote.


Election 3

Presidential Candidate: Bernie Sanders (Duke Dan "The Man")
Vice Presidential Candidate: Leah McIntosh (Luftwafer)

Wayne C. L. Fitzpatrick (jeray2000): Nay!
Mitt Romney (Roplox): Aye!
Bernie Sanders* (Duke Dan "The Man"): Aye!
Dale Stanton (Health): Aye!
Martin O'Malley (keynes2.0): Aye!
Marco Rubio (LatinKaiser): Nay!
Leah McIntosh** (Luftwafer): Aye!

The ticket passed with 71.43% of the vote
A Liberal policy was passed.


Election 4


Presidential Candidate: Dale Stanton (Health)
Vice Presidential Candidate: Martin O'Malley (Keynes2.0)

Wayne C. L. Fitzpatrick (jeray2000): Nay!
Rand Paul (Roplox): Aye!
Bernie Sanders (Duke Dan "The Man"): Aye!
Dale Stanton* (Health): Aye!
Martin O'Malley** (keynes2.0): Aye!
Marco Rubio (LatinKaiser): Aye!
Leah McIntosh (Tornadoli): Aye!

Ticket passed with 85.71% of the vote.

* - POTUS Candidate
** - VPOTUS Candidate
 
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Ah, c'mon guys! We gotta do some solid 2016 RP!

In as Marco Rubio.
 
In as Martin O'Malley!

(Or maybe it would make sense if we all did republicans? In that case Sarah Palin me.)
 
Go ahead and RP me as Bernie Sanders
 
Glad to see all the interest!

In as Martin O'Malley!

(Or maybe it would make sense if we all did republicans? In that case Sarah Palin me.)

I think it would be better to do people from both parties, because the election cycle will go beyond 2016, and having nothing but republican presidents would be... weird.
 
If you are doing every turn is four years then the game is covering 4 decades and most of the characters should be dead.
 
If you are doing every turn is four years then the game is covering 4 decades and most of the characters should be dead.

I would be happily to simulate such things if its an issue for you. Roles would of course not change, but I wouldn't mind doing it if it helps role-playing aspects.
 
Well just to toss out an alternative it could be intra-republican politics all in one election cycle during the primary. The politicians all have their time in the spotlight and decide whether to enable or detract from the Trumpening by highlighting Trumpian or traditional republican ideas. If Trump wins by election he gets the nomination and the party falls in line. If all the Trump laws pass the party goes full Trump. If all the liberal laws get passed the party stumps the Trump and nominates someone else.
 
Well just to toss out an alternative it could be intra-republican politics all in one election cycle during the primary. The politicians all have their time in the spotlight and decide whether to enable or detract from the Trumpening by highlighting Trumpian or traditional republican ideas. If Trump wins by election he gets the nomination and the party falls in line. If all the Trump laws pass the party goes full Trump. If all the liberal laws get passed the party stumps the Trump and nominates someone else.

May be tried at some point in the future, but right now it's hard to implement with the mechanics of Secret Hitler.
 
I'm going to leave this up another day, see if anyone else joins. Roles should be out sometime on Friday.
 
I sign up as myself. I had a blast during the Secret Hitler game and this will likely be as exciting.
 
Signups are closed. Role PMs incoming.