I'm not again asset reuse. But why ? Why put a persian facemask to make a mongol helmet ?
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Right but it *looks* just like a Cuman mask, on a cuman military helmet, if *anything* i'd question it's propriety for usage in persia, but it's a perfectly good asset for the steppe.
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Nope, no they aren't, but you know what? Neither are Tibetans, who are currently dressed just the same, Paradox can't give every single culture on the steppe it's own unique clothing set, so they kinda share, and that's ok, I'm confident that at some point in the future Turks and the like will at least get a nice clothing pack, but for now it is what it is.
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Theyre not, but if steppe societies can share recurve bows, and lamellar armour, are they unable to share an iron mask with a moustache?
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FYI we actually have more evidence for this mask being used by Mongols than by Cumans
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Ugh,ArmsandArmor subreddit.For the record this sub is hit or miss.This post is very good because it cites credible scholars,but their threads about Byzantine armors is bad some from the OP of this reddit thread.So take it by case by case basis.
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You're probably gonna have to get the Ethnicities and Portraits Expanded mod if you want to see very well-done and diverse cultural clothing/armors. Those folks do great work.
Just be aware that it's probably gonna double your load times when you first start up the game.
Just be aware that it's probably gonna double your load times when you first start up the game.
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The mask and helmet look good, it's just a pity that heavy Horde armor wasn't added.
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That looks like Jin Dynasty "Iron Pagoda" armor. Its not nomad steppe armor. If it ever gets added to the game I'd expect to see it with All Under Heaven, not the nomads that would be innacurate.
Props for using an artwork that portrays the lamellar head bit as attached to the helmet rather than a separate collar though.
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The Byzantine one is fantastical,such a helmet didnt exist.Also the Golden Horde one was used mostly by Turkmen states like the Qoyunlus
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Well the Yuan adopted this armor from the Jin,so well since the update gonna use Yuan armor too I dont see why not the Pagoda armor too.
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The jin came from jurchens tho no? So theyd influence and be influenced by the steppe? Not to mention one culture cant claim a monopoly on "lamellar up to the eyes"
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The Jurchen are not a steppe people. Manchuria(or whatever you'd call it at this time) is not part of the steppe and the peoples that arose there were a mix of woodsmen, fishermen, and agricultaralists. The level of development of Jurchen tribes could vary from being more sparse and "wild" to more settled and densely populated and agricultral, but either way this was a land of hills, river valleys, and cold forests, not of open steppe. In later periods on the eve of the conquest of Ming the late Jurchen and then Manchu were not a fully mobilized tribe on the steppe with communal herds, but rather a warrior aristocracy not unlike knights economically supported by serfs and slaves; and their horses were private property of the nobility. I do not know how far back that model trends into the past(I am pretty sure it does not apply to the earlier start dates at least) but point is they are mostly settled people who would develop over this period. I'd put them as Tribal rather than Nomad to begin with for example.
The Jurchen and Qing did have a very steppe-influenced martial culture but it was just that. It was influenced and very intentionally cultivated to be steppe-like, but they were not actually of the Steppe themselves.
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When paradox makes the wooded parts of the steppe also steppe nomads, having the jurchen be steppe nomads too won't be bad for gameplay
I disagree. Manchuria(seriously, what do we call this region in this period? I dislike the Chinese names which are just basically variations of "Northeast" since it seems to be an obviously pointed and hindsight focused name so I don't want to use that but is there nothing better?) should simply stay as non steppe land as it should be. Perhaps it can be converted to steppe but the Jurchen certainly shouldn't start as nomads.
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