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Camels r far more suited for desert than horses. The camels can go further and much faster than the horses. The horses are far more suited to Europe. I propose that there be 2 seperate units, based on where you are building ur army and on tech level, 2 different brances of weapobn development, after all European have to learn how to handle camels,a nd mulsims should start with the ability to control camels. Maybe, there should be a bonus for camels fighting in ME and Nort Africa or another arid & desert while horses get the bonus in Europe.
 
I'm interested to see how they handle different unit types. Will they lump crossbowmen and longbowmen together? Will Mongol horsearchers be in the same category as the Saracen or Frankish cavalry? Will there be a difference in quality between mercenary troops and conscript troops? Will all siege weaponry (siege engines, trebuchets, ballistas, etc.) be in the same category? I'm interested to know.
 
Originally posted by Zhai
Camels r far more suited for desert than horses. The camels can go further and much faster than the horses. The horses are far more suited to Europe. I propose that there be 2 seperate units, based on where you are building ur army and on tech level, 2 different brances of weapobn development, after all European have to learn how to handle camels,a nd mulsims should start with the ability to control camels. Maybe, there should be a bonus for camels fighting in ME and Nort Africa or another arid & desert while horses get the bonus in Europe.
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Yes sort of like in EU there is a bonus for calvary in open spaces, but disadvantage with forests and such. I think with camels a similar thing should apply, in deserts they get a bonus in combat, but in any other area a disadvantage.;)
 
Originally posted by pavlovs_dog
I'm interested to see how they handle different unit types. Will they lump crossbowmen and longbowmen together? Will Mongol horsearchers be in the same category as the Saracen or Frankish cavalry? Will there be a difference in quality between mercenary troops and conscript troops? Will all siege weaponry (siege engines, trebuchets, ballistas, etc.) be in the same category? I'm interested to know.
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Yes me as well, and I think they should be separate if it is possible.;)
 
I also believe that mongol horses should have a very substantional bonus over any other forms of calvary because they were the fastest and best forms of calvary and still are today.;) Well if Elephants were incorperated then naturally they should have an even greater advantage, but at VERY high costs and maintanence.;)
 
I agree with u E-M

I'm interested to see how they handle different unit types. Will they lump crossbowmen and longbowmen together? Will Mongol horsearchers be in the same category as the Saracen or Frankish cavalry? Will there be a difference in quality between mercenary troops and conscript troops? Will all siege weaponry (siege engines, trebuchets, ballistas, etc.) be in the same category? I'm interested to know.
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I bet that they are either a seperate category or that they are advancement in military development. Also that they may even depend on where they live, I mean that a certain unit may be exclusively to a nation. Like Mongols may be only one who are able to make Mongol horsearcher, or English be one of few who are able to make use of Norse technology like longboat for example, maybe the certain units be exclusive to the region like do u think that Sweden will build a camel unit? What about Greek Fire? Should it belong to exclusive unit to Byzantine Empire or it is in military technology in which only Byzantine possesses in beginning?
 
Originally posted by Zhai
I agree with u E-M



I bet that they are either a seperate category or that they are advancement in military development. Also that they may even depend on where they live, I mean that a certain unit may be exclusively to a nation. Like Mongols may be only one who are able to make Mongol horsearcher, or English be one of few who are able to make use of Norse technology like longboat for example, maybe the certain units be exclusive to the region like do u think that Sweden will build a camel unit? What about Greek Fire? Should it belong to exclusive unit to Byzantine Empire or it is in military technology in which only Byzantine possesses in beginning?
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Yes for instance, Greek Fire Galleys should only be available in Greece at the beginning, but later spread throughout the Mediteranean in time. Also the English Longbow should be exclusively theirs given the circumstances until they expose it. Viking longships were rather useless during this time, as new models were created, but they should still be avalable for a while in Norse lands, but also England and France. Mongol horses should only be available to the Mongols and later the entire Middle East, but not Europe as they still aren't in Europe (except horse races most likely).;)
 
thats right! I completely forgot about Greek fire! I could have lots of fun with that!
 
Originally posted by pavlovs_dog
thats right! I completely forgot about Greek fire! I could have lots of fun with that!
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Lol we all can hoho!:D
 
Yeah, so I do.

About the Longboat, France could not access it, only Nomandy could. The point is that some of the units should belong to a certain of region like camel unit can only be built in ME and Nort Africa. Should Greek Fire be a tech which Byznatine Empire is the only one to possess in the beginning of the game or is it a exclusive unit, only for Byzantines' use.
 
Originally posted by Zhai
Yeah, so I do.

About the Longboat, France could not access it, only Nomandy could. The point is that some of the units should belong to a certain of region like camel unit can only be built in ME and Nort Africa. Should Greek Fire be a tech which Byznatine Empire is the only one to possess in the beginning of the game or is it a exclusive unit, only for Byzantines' use.
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Yes the longboat was available to all of France by this time, and also Italy and northern Germany as well, thus that is why the Vikings lost their advantage, but the ones who adopted the longboat later like France, improved it where as the Norse didn't and thus lost their technical advantage.;)
 
Yes the longboat was available to all of France by this time, and also Italy and northern Germany as well, thus that is why the Vikings lost their advantage, but the ones who adopted the longboat later like France, improved it where as the Norse didn't and thus lost their technical advantage.
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I stand corrected! How can I live with the dishonor? Maybe I should perform the Sepukku!
 
As for weapons, I wonder if we'll get crossbowmen and archers, or just "ranged units"? How about siege equipment?
 
Originally posted by Gothmog
As for weapons, I wonder if we'll get crossbowmen and archers, or just "ranged units"? How about siege equipment?
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I think all weapons should only be available to you if you have the knowledge of them and resources for them, otherwise it should be impossible, but I do think that all units should be separate and not simply grouped...:(
 
The English ( Norman ) to my knowledge used the Crossbow till the mid 12th Century...then they used the Longbow realizing it was a superior technical weapon...What will the inclusion ( assuming there is one ) of mercenaries be like...I hope they are a bit more specific than they were in EU2...
( different tech or weapons for different mercenary units ) France hiring Welsh longbowmen...or Spain hiring Muslim cavalry...etc...
 
I think you can pretty much forget about elephants, they had been wiped out in North Africa by the time CK starts...
 
Originally posted by Pwyll
The English ( Norman ) to my knowledge used the Crossbow till the mid 12th Century...then they used the Longbow realizing it was a superior technical weapon...
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The Longbow was arguably a superior weapon to the muskets for a long time as well. The reason people used muskets and crossbows was for another reason: anyone can use a crossbow and a musket. A longbow on the other hand requires so much upper body strength only specialists could use them effectively. I read somewhere that the king had to pay longbow men to train 10-15 hours per week so he could have them available when he needed them...
 
Troops will come as "army of duke xxx". Take the whole dukes army or nothing :D

I suppose you get to choose which dukes come with you on what war.

As this creates unhappines (disloyal dukes), i suppose we will be seeing that players divides their dukes into groups (dukes 1-14 group A, dukes 15-22 group B etc) Using only one group at a time allowing others to rest.

What troops theese dukes then have... well i dont have a clue :)

So back to question: Camels, well i suppose they will be part of some dukes lands.. Then everyone can start arguing about what kind of troops are effective where and when..
 
What about the attrition of camels. I always hear that you can give camels once a lot of water and food, and then they can run for days without stopping. Not something you can do with long bow-men and other military units.
 
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