So when playing as "Japan" who is actually the dude in charge of things? (Also Hojo pls?)

[ColonelSanders]

I am a bit confused because it has this weird government that is in effect sort-of diarchy (kinda Sparta-like).
So in the beginning of game Japan is "Ashikaga Shogunate"? And there is also imperial court as a playable country? And both can "unify" Japan changing its name to "Japan"?
And whoever becomes the Shogun replacing Ashikaga kinda "becomes" the new Japan until unification?
Did I get it right?
And what happens after you "unify" Japan? In all Paradox games it feels like Imperial Restoration is the crowning moment of developing/unifying Japan and it kinda pushes player in the direction of supplanting the clan that player controlled with Imperial House.
It's good because it would make no sense for some random clan to become Emperor but at the same it always felt kinda pointless since player starting as a daimyo was rushing in the direction of making own clan obsolete and relegated to the dustbin of history along with other feudal remnants of Shogunate.
In EU5 If you unify Japan as, let's say, Oda or Shimazu, Will there be anything left from those clans after imperial restoration?

Also will there be a chance for the remnants of Hojo clan to appear in this game? At the start of the game they were practically exterminated but precisely because of that it would be fun to roll from the worst possible position and reinstate them as rulers of Shogunate again. (Byzantium start in EU4 was one of my favourite starts )

 

[InvisibleBison]

I think TT#67 spells this out pretty clearly, but I'll summarize it as I understand it. All Japanese countries are members of the Shogunate IO. Ordinary clans can try to become Shogun by first earning the approval of the Imperial Court, and then defeating the current Shogun in a war. The Shogun is the de facto ruler of Japan, and has special powers over other members of the Shogunate IO. The Shogun can also change the laws of the Shogunate to strengthen their power, the exact effects of which aren't clear but I suspect precludes someone else from trying to become Shogun. I didn't see anything in the TT about an Imperial Restoration, so if you successfully unite Japan as some clan that clan won't vanish away but remain as the Shogun forever. There might be special options available if you're playing as the Tenno, however he is represented, but the TT didn't get into them.

 

[Knarraldin]

I think TT#67 spells this out pretty clearly, but I'll summarize it as I understand it. All Japanese countries are members of the Shogunate IO. Ordinary clans can try to become Shogun by first earning the approval of the Imperial Court, and then defeating the current Shogun in a war. The Shogun is the de facto ruler of Japan, and has special powers over other members of the Shogunate IO. The Shogun can also change the laws of the Shogunate to strengthen their power, the exact effects of which aren't clear but I suspect precludes someone else from trying to become Shogun. I didn't see anything in the TT about an Imperial Restoration, so if you successfully unite Japan as some clan that clan won't vanish away but remain as the Shogun forever. There might be special options available if you're playing as the Tenno, however he is represented, but the TT didn't get into them.

As I recall, in that TT they said something to the effect of "an imperial restoration means the emperor becomes shogun."

 

[ColonelSanders]

As I recall, in that TT they said something to the effect of "an imperial restoration means the emperor becomes shogun."

Emperor becoming Shogun sounds kinda iffy...

 

[ingenieux]

Emperor becoming Shogun sounds kinda iffy...

i guess it's "limitations of the system until dedicated DLC"

 

[ColonelSanders]

i guess it's "limitations of the system until dedicated DLC"

I am more than certain that we will get Japan-centric DLC someday in the future. And I'm fine with that. So far this game seems to be packed full of fun mechanics. It makes EU4 (EU from the day when it was released) feel incomplete in comparison.
I just hope they will add opportunity to play as remnants of freshly-toppled Hojo. I love playing as fallen or broken countries in EU.

 

[Tercio Soldier]

I am more than certain that we will get Japan-centric DLC someday in the future. And I'm fine with that. So far this game seems to be packed full of fun mechanics. It makes EU4 (EU from the day when it was released) feel incomplete in comparison.
I just hope they will add opportunity to play as remnants of freshly-toppled Hojo. I love playing as fallen or broken countries in EU.

I'm fine with things being left up to DLC but the current system should at least make a difference if the Southern court wins the starting situation. Right now the situations is pointless because there is 0 difference between a Northern or Southern victory. That should be base game content if they have designed a sitaution about it in the base game.

 

[ColonelSanders]

I'm fine with things being left up to DLC but the current system should at least make a difference if the Southern court wins the starting situation. Right now the situations is pointless because there is 0 difference between a Northern or Southern victory. That should be base game content if they have designed a sitaution about it in the base game.

That's an interesting point but what would the difference be here? victory of the puppet emperor used by Ashikaga leads to system where Shogun reigns supreme and victory of emperor Go-Daigo leads to imperial restoration or smth?
AFAIK other than that it was just a dynastic squabble about whose a** (from within the family) should sit on the throne. And then it was just exploited as an excuse by Ashikaga.
Ceterum censeo I hope there will be option to roll as Hojo in this game.

 

[Tercio Soldier]

That's an interesting point but what would the difference be here? victory of the puppet emperor used by Ashikaga leads to system where Shogun reigns supreme and victory of emperor Go-Daigo leads to imperial restoration or smth?
AFAIK other than that it was just a dynastic squabble about whose a** (from within the family) should sit on the throne. And then it was just exploited as an excuse by Ashikaga.
Ceterum censeo I hope there will be option to roll as Hojo in this game.

A Southern Court victory doesn't need to lead to a full Imperial restoration, but it should increase the power of the Emperor in some way, making a future restoration easier.