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So, there has been some talk about adding more provices in greece, split the culture into more groups, and make some anatolian provinces greek in culture.

Hpefully When I get home in August I will make a mod to sow these thought but sitting on a hostel in Romania makes it a bit harder. But the process in three steps

There has already been a couple of suggestion in which provinces which needs to be added. Especially to split Epirus in a new province which should also be an indepedet Epirus. I think this is essential for historical accuracy. The despotate of Epirs\us was at this poit in time in a PU with a sicilian/greek county in the ionian islands
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/County_palatine_of_Cephalonia_and_Zakynthos

I don't think the ame need to represent this as two different states but I thik adding epirus as a two province state is reasonable.

A lot about the negative feedback on more greek states has been that it'll slow down turkish expansion. To begin with I don't think turkey expand fast enouh It's ot as strong as it was in reality so i\giving more provinces to turkey and increasing their development and giving them more easy provinces to conquer I think is good, but should also be made sure that minor state doesn't slow hem down (give cores on all these provinces?).

For culture there's been some talk about splitting greek. I think this is reasonable, first of I dislike the byzantine culture groups internal structure by having pontic and greek as different groups adding up pontic (it's like making a group consisting of german and saxon and czech).

So I think renaming greek to demotic is a good idea (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medieval_Greek) but to further split it would be reasonable. There's been some suggestion to split it in for example morean and epirote groups, I think they are good suggestions, but the most relevant split, is to split up the latin ruled greeks into their own group. A lot of people have been suggesting a cypriot group but I think something like an aegean culture would be in place, represented on the aegean islands, crete and cyprus (cyprus as the primary tag)

I would then think that most of the aatolian coast provinces should have demotic culture. I kow this was partly changed to prevent provinces from rebellig and oing byzantine. My suggestion as a solution to this would be to make greece the primary tag of Demotic and make the primary culture of byzantion Kattharevousa or Roman. This thus represning the anciet artificial culture of the byzatine empire in contrast to demotic in the main provinces. Only Constantinople would have this culture and thus it will die out when the turks conquer.

Possible pontic should also get more provinces along the norhern coast and possibility to add cappadocian in Kayseri (or at least change the religion to orthodox considering the high number of orthodox christians and karamanli christian turks)
 
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Cephalonia & Zakhynthos is as far as ive been able to deduce what our Corfu tag actually is in 1444 (look at the ruler names and the tag letters) though it was added before my time.

Can't comment much on the rest, just popping in to say I keep an eye on all map related discussions :)
 
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Cephalonia & Zakhynthos is as far as ive been able to deduce what our Corfu tag actually is in 1444 (look at the ruler names and the tag letters) though it was added before my time.

Can't comment much on the rest, just popping in to say I keep an eye on all map related discussions :)
If that's the case, then should it really start as a Venetian vassal? I know that an independenty minor next to the Ottomans is a dead man walking, but it would probably be more accurate for them to be independent.
Plus, as has been mentioned, their Despotate of Epirus still held land on mainland Greece in 1444, so maybe it shouldn't be an OPM at all.
 
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If that's the case, then should it really start as a Venetian vassal? I know that an independenty minor next to the Ottomans is a dead man walking, but it would probably be more accurate for them to be independent.
Plus, as has been mentioned, their Despotate of Epirus still held land on mainland Greece in 1444, so maybe it shouldn't be an OPM at all.
From what I gather Epirus should either consist of half of the current Epirus province and Corfu or there should be a personal union between them? If the former makes it to the game, there will be a possibility to remove Corfu and use its tag for some other country!

Talks about enhancement of southern Balkans and Anatolia were here for a long time, probably longer than I've been on the forums. In short, most of these threads talk about adding independent Epirus, splitting Albania in 3 provinces, adding more provinces to Greece and splitting Turkish into various cultures. I'm not an expert on Balkan history but the threads provide pretty good sources and reasoning, meanwhile everyone will probably agree that huge Turkish culture just makes it easier for everyone to conquer and accept it, especially with oncoming changes in the next patch.

You're not the first to mention the despotate of Epirus, it's 3rd or 4th thread asking for adding it - this many people can't be wrong! Your idea has my full support. :)
 
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Yes, the only new thing that I suggest (as far as I know) is the Cephalonia state and the suggestion of a Kattharevousa/demotic culture split. There has been previous proposal of making an independent epirote state in the south, an epirote culture, letting more turkish provinces have greek/pontic culture. There has been suggested Cypriot culture but I don't remember if there has been a suggestion for an aegean culture as I propose.

But concerning the Cephalonia/corfu/epirus situation: Venice did directly rule the island of Corfu, not as a vassal. Cephalonia and Zakynthia was an independent state in personal union with epirus. The most accurate solution would be to split Epirus in two parts with an independent south in PU with Cephalonia which would also become a new province using the corfu tag while the province of corfu is annexed to venice.
 
Kephalonia is larger than Korfu and should have its own tag. Albania needs splitting into 3 as well but it's not just that

Zeta needs splitting as well as Venice owned Kotor in the SW of the province which was a very important port for them. Also Dalmatia province should be split into 2 - Zadar and Split - the two cities were big enough in their own right.

My biggest grievance though is that Belgrade is completely ignored in the game when in fact it was one of the largest cities in the Balkan at this time. It was owned by Hungary in 1444 but was a Serbian city and is on the confluence of the Sava and Dunav rivers. There should be a seperate province in Hungary for Belgrade with a level 3 fort (the Ottomans failed to siege it in 1456) and it should be a CoT as well the Ragusa trade node only has one anyway.
 
The Balkans do need a proper overhaul