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This new tech tree is kind of confusing. As the Soviets I wish to build more IC. However it requires an Industry tech (1935 base industry I believe) that is unreserchable at the moment. Worse yet it requires a tech that is crossed out. The tech is one of 3. My country pre-researched one that is not to my liking.

I know that in vanilla you can abandon a doctrine if you don't like it, and research a differant one. What I ask is this: Is there a way to build industry as the soviets? Is it an event? Or what techs do I have to research to do so?
 
But is it WAD for the Soviets?

They built a lot of industries pre war, but I don't know if its realistic that they can't build more after 1936 or not (untill war is imminent in 1939).

Did you with the present design mean that the on map IC from start simulates their industrial buildup between the wars and if a player wants more than that he has to research newer technologies?
 
It is WAD for the Soviets, yes. I haven't seen any proof how effective the five-year plans really were and the development team was in agreement that the Soviet Union should be Semi-Industrialized, rather than Fully (of which the building of new IC is only a side-effect, not the major desired effect).
 
OK, thanks.

I think it simulates things rather well.
The huge USSR industrial expansion between the wars is represented by the Soviet IC. If a player wants more he has to invent something to develop. Fair enough.

And it saves us from the temptation to boost USSR up pre-war based on our well educated guesses that a war might start within a couple of years...
 
baylox said:
It is WAD for the Soviets, yes. I haven't seen any proof how effective the five-year plans really were and the development team was in agreement that the Soviet Union should be Semi-Industrialized, rather than Fully (of which the building of new IC is only a side-effect, not the major desired effect).
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umm... between 1927-39 Soviet Union manufactured nearly 25000 tanks and nearly 29000 airplanes, compared to Germanys 3195 tanks and 4093 airplanes. what proof do you need?
 
teddybbeer said:
umm... between 1927-39 Soviet Union manufactured nearly 25000 tanks and nearly 29000 airplanes, compared to Germanys 3195 tanks and 4093 airplanes. what proof do you need?
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On a further note: how many of those actually worked? ;)
 
teddybbeer: Semi- and Fully Industrialized are not relevant to the amount of industry a country has, obviously, since that is represented by the amount of IC. Cut the hyperbole when you don't know what the discussion is actually about. Let's start over with you asking what Semi-Industrialized and Fully Industrialized nations actually represents, if you want to continue the discussion.

Unrelated note: Besides, the numbers you present show nothing to the effect of the five-year plans since it encompasses the entire period, not the actual expansion. It could just be that they could've produced this stuff anyway, as JRShield points out.
 
teddybbeer said:
what proof do you need?
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Good question.
baylox said:
teddybbeer: Semi- and Fully Industrialized are not relevant to the amount of industry a country has, obviously, since that is represented by the amount of IC. Cut the hyperbole when you don't know what the discussion is actually about. Let's start over with you asking what Semi-Industrialized and Fully Industrialized nations actually represents, if you want to continue the discussion.

Unrelated note: Besides, the numbers you present show nothing to the effect of the five-year plans since it encompasses the entire period, not the actual expansion. It could just be that they could've produced this stuff anyway, as JRShield points out.
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Bad answer. In form and function.

Not relevant? command = { type = allow_building which = ic } seems quite relevant.
Before 1939 factories (IC) were built. By 1939 capital investment (i.e. building factories/ICs) had already declined. The current set-up gets it backwards.

If that's "WAD" then i'd recommend following the (IIRC) TRP route of fixed historic economic/industrialization til Danzig Or War.
 
nor can it be said that none were closed, but it is certain that the industry improved which is also the case every time you research one of the basic or heavy industry techs. You get 4% effective IC output for every Heavy industry tech and 1-2% for every basic industry tech.
 
Tskb18 said:
Bad answer. In form and function.
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Well, when a question or statement is made in a disrespectful way, don't assume to get a respectful answer back. Ask nicely, get a nice answer. It's all very simple, really.

With regard to the ability to build new IC, we tie it to the economic base of the country on a general basis and haven't made any exceptions to it so far. The ability to build IC or not is a minor issue compared to other things that are influenced by the Semi- and Fully Industrialized techs. What could be done, perhaps, is let those Semi-Industrialized nations that do not suffer the Great Depression (Isolated, by our definition - which includes SOV and JAP) build IC from the start - if what you're saying is correct, naturally. The reasoning behind not letting Semi countries build IC is that after the Great Depression they were unable to expand their economy and instead rather had to get back what they lost first.
 
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